(upbeat music)
Oh yeah, welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour.
Holy cow, do we have a great one today, man.
This guy, like for those of you
who are in the Noster world,
and if you are not on Noster, shame on you.
Shame on you.
But for those of you who are in the Noster space,
this dude reigns supreme.
I am so thrilled that I got man-like quacks
on the line from Tanzania to talk about music,
to talk about Bitcoin, to talk about his upbringing,
bouncing back and forth between Tanzania and the UK,
and his philanthropic work as well.
I mean, this dude is such an inspiration.
In addition to being a really good musician
and a good rapper and a good believer in Bitcoin
and value for value and everything,
holy cow, when an inspiration this dude is.
What a cool guy.
So, you know the drill, we're gonna play one of the songs
and then we'll cut to the interview
and then we will go out with one of his songs.
And I just love this whole conversation.
It's today is Sunday the 7th.
He and I were able to get on the phone yesterday
and I'm hoping to get this out.
Like Tuesday or Wednesday of this week.
World class dude, really hope to meet him in person one day.
And a great representative of independent artists
in the value for value space and the Bitcoin space
and a great representative of humanity.
So I'm gonna shut up.
We're gonna listen to bangers
and then you're gonna hear the interview.
Cool, cool.
Here we go.
♪ If we come ♪
♪ And they want us ♪
Yeah.
♪ If we come ♪
Malay.
♪ If we come ♪
♪ And they want us ♪
Stop proof of work.
♪ If we come ♪
Yeah.
Proof of work.
I'm proof it works.
No formula, no strategy.
I just put in work.
I'm a sacrifice for it.
My get alienated.
Or it, my get crucified.
Or it, I'm laser focused with my purpose.
SBC, 223.
That was then.
This is now I showed you how I want you then
of what was coming.
Yeah.
Turn the lights on and see the road just running.
Turn the volume, turn up the hash rate.
Told you my life breaks is coming.
Yo, please don't make me open the trunk.
What a god, bad day, you know it bumps.
What a god, bad day makes my jump.
Came out nowhere and run.
I got fire in my lungs.
DCA to BTC.
They really thought I was one and done.
I got bangers in my trunk.
They really sat.
Bitcoin data.
I got bangers in my trunk.
Yeah, she got her own keys.
Whenever Bitcoin hits my wallet, be much just to say.
Oh, you got to go my back.
Can you go my back?
TZ, go my back.
Can they back you up and sat?
My trunk, go my back.
Easy, sat.
Go my back.
Africa, go my back.
And they back you up and sat.
Yo, Bitcoin only homey.
It's my one and only home.
I don't roll with bony's.
Just proof of work homies.
Tokyo said, "Dell, Bitcoin, doing wealth.
Vicky's taking notes.
I got bangers in my trunk.
Now that I had a good run and I ain't letting up.
You can't check my proof of work.
You see it's all letting up.
Yeah, Austin, they know me.
A way play, they know me.
Austin, they know me.
Now I'm worldwide homie.
I'm a man of a shaman.
I'm so orange.
I'm so purple.
Don't buy all kinds, bro.
That design to hurt you.
Daily, weekly monthly.
Stacking, sat, to live, and comfy.
I'm a freedom, by a book conservative with my money.
I don't ride alone.
Soundtouch, brand, don't it?
I find guantai, put my friends in any song.
My life trying to play me.
I don't play alone.
Ain't no monkey business here.
Only King Kong.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
My life, my life, my life, my life.
My life.
My life, my life.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
After cut, gone my back, and they back it up with y'all.
They couldn't get in pricey.
Keep that big coin.
They couldn't get in pricey.
Keep that big coin.
Get out.
Keep that big coin.
My life.
They couldn't get in pricey.
Keep that big coin.
My life.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
Yeah, my life.
My life, my life, my life.
Yeah.
After cut, gone my back, and they back it up beside.
After cut, gone my back, and they back it up as fast.
After cut, gone my back.
Yeah, you know we stack inside.
If you say, gone my back, got a bucket up with you.
Tuckish, shit, bra.
Got a bucket up beside, to be safe.
Got my back, got a bucket up with you.
Sats.
My life, my life.
Yeah.
My life, my life.
Please.
[MUSIC PLAYING]
All right, everybody.
Welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour.
That track that you just heard is Bangers.
It is a Banger.
And I am really excited to have this guest on the mic with us today.
He is a bit of a celebrity in the value for value music world.
It is a real trip to walk around Bitcoin Park here in Nashville
and hear them talk about this dude.
I get goosebumps about it.
Man-like quacks on the line, joining us from Tanzania.
Hello, sir.
Hey, how are you?
I am great, man, and I'm just so thrilled
that we were able to make this happen.
I got a million questions.
I dig your music, of course, but--
Thank you.
I just think this is so cool that we're able to do this.
I think it's so cool you are an early adopter.
I'm dead serious, man.
It's a trip to walk around Bitcoin Park in Nashville
and to hear those guys going, hey man, do you see that dude's going up Kilimanjaro, man?
It's really cool.
You know?
Also, I'm on it, man, and I'm thrilled that--
yeah, the new travel, man, and the community is really supportive.
So I won't be here without the community.
And you get what you give, really.
So I'm all about giving as much as I can,
and I've received so much in that.
And also just support and love and stuff.
So it's just great to contribute to this space.
So thank you very much, have me on.
Oh, yeah.
Well, and I'll also tell you, I was up in Minneapolis
a couple of weeks ago for those two shows that Justaloud and Amesley Castello did.
And to hear--
Yeah, and to hear like BooBerry and all those guys--
all the guys up in Minneapolis talking about you too, it's a trip.
And you're like, man, this is a small world.
Yeah.
Wow.
It was really cool.
Yeah, it was cool.
I'm not even left Tanzania for a while, but it's real.
It is really surreal, but awesome.
But happy to be on and happy to talk more about Tanzania and Bitcoin and music with you.
So yeah, thank you for having me on.
Yeah, you bet.
All right, so let's dive into it.
So you are an early adopter into the space.
You were one of the very first to get in this.
You and Joe Martin-- I can't remember where I saw it.
I don't know if I saw it in Bitcoin magazine or something.
Yeah.
You've been on Wavelake for almost a year now.
Tell us how did-- the first question I have is, how did find this space?
How did you find the value for value in the Wavelake world?
Yeah, thank you.
So a mixture of things, which combines with my story, but with what really happened is
that it was, I made a song called "5 BTC."
And the story behind that was also just-- there's not many Bitcoin in my area, like in my space.
And I had to kind of congregate on Twitter to find people who are Bitcoin Twitter that
space.
So when I was on there, I would-- again, on top of that, I'm looking for African Bitcoin
is.
And on top of that, I'm looking for Tanzanian Bitcoin is.
So it was like trying to decipher down.
So basically, a friend of mine posted a picture.
He looked like a rapper called "Freeway."
So I did a cover of a track by "Freeway" called "What We Do" featuring Jay-Z is a
sick track.
And I did a track called "5 BTC."
And I just literally just wrapped about anything I knew about Bitcoin at the time.
I just got a compounded it towards, I just--
And I just-- I think back then, I was just bingeing on "Pete and McCormack" podcasts.
So any time you had Jack Moller's on there or whatever he's on there, I was just like throwing
anything I got on that song.
So yeah, and then he said, "Oh, man, that's so cool."
You should share it with Bitcoin Beats.
So there was a whole Bitcoin Beats on Twitter as well, just still there.
Okay.
And he shared it on there.
And then similarly, they interviewed me and asked me, I didn't know there was a whole
Bitcoin music space, people making specific songs about Bitcoin.
So then that led me down the rabbit hole of like, there must be like a place, there must be
a place where you can, I don't know, put music and get Bitcoin for it.
And that was really my search.
And then I found Wavelick.
So that's kind of how people come to each other.
And I just, I think just after that I made the song "DCA to BTC," which is probably my biggest
song.
That was like the third song I made about Bitcoin.
And that one just took off after that.
So yeah, that was kind of my story.
I was just looking for a place to put these Bitcoin songs somewhere.
And yeah, found Wavelick.
Wow. All right. So then, so then let me back up to your origins as a musician, as a songwriter,
as a rapper.
When did you start your career?
Like how old were you when you started rapping, when you started writing, when you started
coordinating beats?
Like how did you get into being a songwriter?
Yeah.
So I mean, again, I'm really grateful for dropping the SPCV one.
It was just like straight, plug, Jane Volume One, because I have elements in it where I
tell a bit of my story.
So there's a song on there called "Damas."
And that song, that song, I don't know if you were on "Nostrad the Time" when Will was talking
about who's getting all these emails from Apple saying he can't have, you can't zap notes
anymore.
You have to go through Apple Pay.
You know, you can't be tipping this way.
So there's this whole big ruckus on "Damas."
I was using "Damas" at the time.
So I feel this is like, you know, like May, June time, or something like that.
Yeah.
And they ended up just writing about that.
And I wrote about that.
And I kind of told a bit of my story.
I was like, so for me it was early '90s.
I was born in Tanzania, but grew up in the UK.
And I have, I have, there's four of us in siblings' wives.
And I have an older brother and he was just on the music like the scene everywhere, hip-hop,
everything.
Going his room, he had the, yeah, the cassettes and then he had the CDs.
So this was '90s and the CD, you have to go buy CDs.
Yeah.
I was really having pocket money at the time.
So he was able to spend his pocket money on CDs.
And that's, and that's, that world is just how I got into, I was just enthralled in that
world of hip-hop.
But mostly East Coast rap was my thing.
Nas, Jay-Z, Biggie, like those guys really, really just, just kind of, well my uncles.
They just, I just loved the way now, told stories and stuff like that.
So yeah.
So how I got into really just appreciating storytelling over music.
And then, you know, watching the videos and just how, because where we grew up, I grew up,
it was a bit of a small town in the UK, a place called Cumbria.
Not many black people around there.
So, you know, it was, it was as if we all we got.
And, and when you have, at that time, you know, MTV is kind of coming out and, you know,
all these things are able, you know, black culture is being able to be expressed, you know,
in a, in a way that is, that can be televised and it's cool and whatnot.
And all the culture is coming out, you know, the fashion and everything was coming with
it.
It was really a way to, you know, as a, as a young boy, get, gain some identity and reflect
with that.
So that's kind of how I, I love the space.
So, well, yeah, I just, just, just like songs.
And then some of the singles just have instrumentals to them.
I don't know if you remember back in the day with the singers to come up.
And then, yeah, so, so then we just, we just, we're like, oh, I was causing the rap on it.
I think I remember the first single I got that I really liked was I don't remember, Miss
Yellow, get your freak on.
Yeah.
And then when, and when Ferrell and Chad Neptune came out, I was just, look, the whole thing.
I'm, I'm just a big fan.
Just a big fan of that era and stuff.
So, that's how I got into, into, into music.
And then did you ask me a big, how are we going to big coins?
Oh, just, just, just, let me ask you a quick question about your music.
What was the, what was the first song you wrote?
Man, I remember, I was about 16 when I, when I, I was writing poems mainly first.
And then, and then I was about 16 when I actually got to record.
And I think my, my, my friend still has it.
And I was off B. I was, I was a mess.
I was just like, I think it was called don't try it boy.
And I was just trying to, I was trying to be so hard and you'd be like, well, I don't
try it.
Like, you can, I think you can top it, but you can't stuff it.
You can knock it, something like that.
Don't try it.
I was just like, I was, I was behind the mic just trying to be so hard.
Yeah.
That's cool.
Yeah.
It helps me back in a day.
Yeah.
We've all got, we've all got stories like that, you know, like the first song, you know,
you're so proud.
You're on your way.
That's your first song.
Oh man.
Oh, so, you read it.
And then like two years later, you're like, your God, if this song ever gets out, I, I
am going to leave the planet, right?
Yeah, that's, I mean, it's a right of passage and it's important.
It's important to be able to look back on those early songs and laugh at them a little
bit, but also respect the fact that, hey, man, this is where I started, you know?
Yeah.
You got to get your feet wet and just, yeah, you got to roll the dice, man.
So yeah, you got to start somewhere, dude.
You know, like that Chinese proverb of, you know, the journey begins with just, you know,
a couple of steps, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, if you could see what, I mean, I, I know I don't have the video on for you, but
I, you know, you're looking at me.
You can tell when I probably recorded my first song, like back in the 80s, right?
And, you know, and it's probably no more than two chords and, you know, about some, you
know, school yard girl that broke my heart.
It's probably, man.
Thank God, you know, it's, it's probably destroyed.
But it's, it's important to, to, to, to honor that and go back and look and to be able to
laugh at that as well.
I also, but before we get into Bitcoin, I wanted to say about, you're more inclined to
influence by the East Coast rappers as per the West Coast.
I would, I would never claim to be an expert on hip hop and rap.
Okay.
I have the utmost of respect for it as a genre.
It is obviously legitimate.
And I look at those writers as, as the beat poets of today.
And I think that, you know, while there is a tremendous amount of value to what NWA brought,
I, in my limited knowledge of, of the rap and hip hop, for whatever reason, I, I find myself
gravitating towards East Coast rappers as well.
And I, and I don't know why, because I, you know, I mean, like, for whatever reason, like,
I'll listen to Jay Z, more than I'll listen to NWA.
I'll listen to Biggie more than I'll listen to Tupac.
And, and I don't know enough about it as to be able to discern why.
But I mean, if we were talking about jazz or country or rock, I'd be like, oh, you know,
I, I can really get into it.
But it's such a huge, people don't understand how culturally massive rap and hip hop is.
And just like, like with metal, there are dozens of sub genres with, right?
With classical, there's dozens of sub genres.
And it breaks my heart that rap and hip hop is not looked at in the same fashion because
it is just as important as any other genre.
And unfortunately, you know, unfortunately, it gets dismissed a lot, I think, I mean, honestly,
because of racism, right?
But I find it fascinating.
And I can't figure out why me, this 53 year old white dude who lives in Nashville was more
interested in the East Coast rappers than the West Coast rappers.
But I, I don't know.
I couldn't put my finger on either.
It really a feeling where there was the beats, whether it was the content, whether it was
the bravado about it, like there was just something about the East Coast for me at that
time.
And I'm a 10, 11, 12 teenage.
And I'm like, I just, you know, I said Nike's over at it.
That's like, it's just, it is what it is.
Like I can't, I can't, I can't say why.
I can't give you the reason why, but it's just what it was.
And yeah, I just gravitated towards it.
So similarly, I know rhyme or reason, respect to all those great, great eyes, wherever they
are from.
And even seeing, you know, how things have changed.
And it is also interestingly, you know, for me, you know, growing up in the UK, we were
heavily influenced by American, American rap, Henry Mahipop, the culture.
And it wasn't until I became about 14, 15, 16 that we created, I don't know if you ever heard
of the genre of garage, which is kind of like a, like a kind of melodic kind of dubstep
feel.
And then, and then on top of that, we created something called grime.
And that is, and yeah, and that, and oh my goodness.
Now the thing about that, what happened was it became something that was ours in like UK.
Like we had our own sound.
You talked about, we talked about areas in the UK.
You talked about different locations.
Talked about what was going on with us.
And then the way that they wrapped how the UK accent to it because previously, you know,
if you wanted to be on the radio as a UK rapper, you had to kind of sound like an American
rapper.
So there was a whole shift and, and even to this day, like now it's, now we have, what's
it called, not real, drill is, is very big.
Now so it's kind of evolved.
So when I was 16, I gravitated to grime music because there was rappers who were my age,
I kept a, a, Jamie, then Wiley, another tiny temper.
There was just so many of these, these, these rappers who were like us from London, many
from London, and started from Manchester.
And then they represented us.
So you, so maybe, and what I'm trying to say is the East Coast, I felt represented me more
at the time.
And then I'm, I'll be honest, when I became 16, I felt more represented by the UK artist
because we created a new sound.
So, so definitely grime music influenced me in a big way as a, as I grew up, as they
became a teenager and, and, and, and adults.
So, yeah, I think, I think whatever you feel represented by, same, and I think you can
talk about, you know, Afro beats now as well, you know, because now top of that, you know,
there's Davido, there's a burner boy, there's, you know, with kid like so many, so many influences,
even like, you know, with the, with the reggae music and stuff like that, it just, you know,
all the different cultures having their own sound.
It's just cool.
And to me, to link back to Bitcoin, it was like, I, I thought, I thought, I thought, I
got there.
Like, though, there wasn't, there wasn't, I wanted to hear someone rap about Bitcoin, and
I was like, there was no one, no one I knew at the time really rapped out of Bitcoin, and
I decided to start rapping about Bitcoin.
And, and, and it's been great.
So, that's kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of where I'm going.
Yeah, and the rest is history as they say.
So, I'm looking on the map of the UK at Cumbria, which is on the west coast, just underneath
Scotland, just, just, just south of Lockerbieg, you're north of Manchester.
Yeah.
I mean, what, so what brought you, what brought your family up there?
Yeah, so my parents are both a medicine, and so, at story, really, we were born in Tanzania
and my dad, a doctor, I'm also, and then we moved to Kuwait, actually, first.
Oh, wow.
So, my dad was in Kuwait to begin with late 80s.
My younger brother was born there, and then, as you know, those, the Gulf War happened.
Yeah.
So, we had to evacuate and leave everything behind.
Yeah, without, just really, just out from scratch, that was like early 90s.
So, so, we moved, so my dad studied in the UK, and then, you know, then went on, when, when,
then went to Kuwait to do, to teach him that, then we came back to the UK.
And then that's where we started life, and he decided, I asked him as a, as a man now,
I said, "Wait, Cumbria is like, I really wanted you guys to be somewhere, I didn't want you
in the inner cities, I wanted you somewhere out, I didn't want to be in the cities,
I wanted you guys to, to you guys to grow up out of the cities."
That was his, that was his preference, and I respect him for that, that was his vision for
the family, and, yeah, I mean, yeah, we loved him, we had a good time, and, yeah, for my
memories then.
Uh, it looks, it looks beautiful, I, I like district, it's beautiful place, no?
Yeah, Lake District National Park, yeah.
All right, so then, so then you go back to, to Tanzania, then how did you get in
to Bitcoin?
When did you get into it?
So Bitcoin is again, family affairs, so my, my older brother had the music, my younger brother
had the, had the, had the, had the, had the lane needs of Bitcoin, so he told me about it
earlier on, but I was half listening to him at the time.
So my younger brother, um, big on, big on tech, big on manga, big on anime, all that stuff
was, like, he was just, he was just, he was the head, man, he was just a blade runner.
He was, nice.
He was a head of his tech.
He was a head of a, and also, and also retro, and also retro with it too, like, he was just,
he was, he was cyber fun, right?
He was definitely that guy.
So, um, he told me about it, but I, again, I was half listening, and then I moved to Tanzania
in 2013.
Yeah.
Um, it wasn't until I came back in 2018 that he, he, he kind of reintroduced it.
He actually just theme in my room and just say, listen, he told me, he told me my laptop.
He said, look, get, go, get, get by announced and get this, get some Bitcoin, get some Ethereum
and get some of this.
And then he just walked out, like, it was like, literally just like that.
Like, he just told me, too.
I'm tired.
I'm tired of telling him, with craft, get it done.
He just, he just gets some, and I was like, ah, whatever, like, so, um, so I, I got some
at the time and then, but I, again, not really kind of into the space or the community of
it just, I just had some, and I didn't really know what I was doing with it.
So yeah, it wasn't until COVID.
So 2020 that I really started looking into more, um, what is this Bitcoin thing about?
What is this crypto thing about, you know, and kept seeing all these Michael Sala videos
flowing around on YouTube.
And, um, and yeah, so it wasn't until 2020 that I really started to investigate and be more
curious.
And then started selling the rest of the money stuff and be Bitcoin only as well.
So that was, so 20, I guess I'll call myself the classic 2020 if, if, if they, if they
classes to this that I really decided to kind of go all in on Bitcoin.
Well, and how, how is Bitcoin, um, accepted or thought of in, in Tanzania?
I mean, for people that don't know, and unfortunately, you know, as, as you can imagine,
just about every American has no idea where Tanzania is.
So, um, for those of you who are listening and you, and you know it's in Africa, but you
don't know much about it.
Let me tell you, um, Tanzania is on the East Coast just under the equator.
Um, it has a population of about 45 million people.
You've got 120 ethnic, religion and linguistic groups.
It's a constitutional, uh, republic.
You guys, I mean, God bless you.
I know you got your challenges, but you seem to be in a better position than most countries
in Africa.
Um, so how is it, how is Bitcoin perceived, uh, on the constant and in Tanzania?
So yeah, I can, I can speak on Tanzania and, and I mean, the, the blessing is I've, I've,
I've really befriended a lot of African Bitcoin as well.
And, and really shared, you know, the frustrations that we have with our currencies, um, share the
frustrations we have with cross-border payments, uh, share the frustrations we have with inflation
and whatnot.
So, so, use less that with inflation.
So when I arrived here in Tanzania, um, in 2013, um, so the, so let's go to the dollar.
So we have the Tanzanian shilling.
So one dollar, uh, at the time, one dollar was 1,500 Tanzanian shillings, um, you get for
one, you could buy one dollar.
Yeah.
This year, it went, it's now 2,500.
Wow.
And, um, that's real, man.
And, and, and you, and you feel it a lot more than you would when you're in the West.
I, I've, I've lived in, but I've lived here 10 years, I lived in the West for 25 plus years.
So, yeah.
So, I, you, you feel it a lot more, feel it in the fuel prices, feel it in the food prices,
you feel it in, in, in, and things.
And that's how you can connect with people when you start talking to people up big coin.
That's how you can connect with, with people around you when you, when you, they know, they know.
They might not know where the word inflation, but they know what it feels like.
Yeah.
That note doesn't go as far as it used to.
Then things are like pinching like that.
So in regards to Bitcoin, it's...
They had a hardь found on it.
To begin with, they should be using it,
it should be touching it.
But then they loosened up,
and said, "You're on risk,
but it's not legal tender,
so you can't buy a sell, trade with it here."
You can't use it to buy bread or whatever the case would be.
That's the case still.
You can't use this legal tender.
But if you choose to buy it,
there's no issues with that from what I know.
And yeah, for me,
I guess my frustrations was moving money out of Tanzania
was very, very difficult, the Swiss system.
I just an example, just moving.
If I wanted to move $200 out of the country,
it would cost me $60 to do so.
Oh, are you 60?
So imagine, it might work for you to be...
Yeah, it might work if you have a large sum of money,
but I needed to make some monthly payments,
and it just was biting me, man.
So that's how I was like,
I need to find other rails.
I need to find other ways of doing things.
And so cross-border payments,
obviously, this kind of phase was witnessing layer two
and lightning and everything.
I mean, that's just gonna...
That's just...
The funny thing about it is,
I don't know if you familiar what we heard of,
we use a thing called mobile money here,
where...
I have your mobile.
Yeah, so there's a thing called M-PESA.
So, for instance,
what we'd have, I think, basically, it's like your SIM card
is a bank account.
So I can send you money to your line
and vice versa.
And the strange thing about it,
it's very close to what lightning is.
Like, it's like the pretty much the same,
like we're very used to that concept
of sending money to phones.
And also, the amazing thing is,
we can do it without internet.
There's a messaging service called USB,
where you just do star, one, five, zero hash,
and then you have a menu,
like a text message menu.
So, you'll have a menu with numbers,
so it might say send money, pay a bill,
and it's connected to so many things.
I can pay my electricity bills, I can buy food with it,
I can pay at the shops,
like you can do multiple things with this system.
And it's very, very, very dominant here in what people use.
I mean, I didn't have any cash on me.
So, for instance, I just said,
like, I wouldn't...
This is the day I wanted to get my tires filled up.
1,000 shillings, it's like,
doesn't even like 30 cents man,
like I had to get my tires filled up.
I don't have any cash on me.
I just said, "Hey, what's your number?"
He said, "Yeah, this is my number."
I just widened the cash on his phone,
he's like, "Yeah, we're cool."
So, like, it's so eerie about what lightning does
and what it can do,
like the frustration part for me is,
I can see that we would be ready for that here.
Like, it wouldn't be much of a thing to change.
It's just a different form of money,
a better form of money basically.
Yeah, so right now,
so right now you can't take anything in BTC
or lightning and move it over to Impessa, correct?
Yes, that is a challenge unless you do it,
it appears, so for instance.
So, there's like a Binance peer-to-peer system.
So, you can go on there and you can find a seller
and like I say, "Hey, I've got this Bitcoin."
And then he has his rate and then,
they have the whole escrow system that you do and whatnot.
There's also an app called NoWons,
where you can also do the same thing.
Back in the day, it was called Paxful.
I think of similar to like local Bitcoin.
I think, remember, there were local Bitcoin's back in the day,
something like that.
It was a peer-to-peer kind of marketplace.
Yeah, so those marketplaces are there.
And then also, yeah, similarly people know I do Bitcoin,
they just, it'll text me and we just organize a rate
and I just, I'll buy off them or sell them.
I don't, I should, I don't sell mine.
I really am, I don't sell mine.
I was just like, "I was about to say sell, I just buy it,
but if they wanna do that."
So, that's something,
that's the area that I'm really looking into as well,
to create some sort of way to, so people can off-rump easily
here in Tanzania.
Yeah.
How, I mean, obviously, you know,
you're, since your brother got you into it,
and quote unquote, forced you to buy.
(laughs)
But how has your, you know,
what do you think of now when you look at the next
30 or 40 years in Tanzania,
and the fact that you hold Bitcoin and,
and you know, what are your plans for it long term?
Are you, is it gonna be what you guys,
quote unquote, retire off of live off of?
Are you gonna go back to the UK?
Like, what are your, how does,
when you think about the next 30 or 40 years,
and incorporate it, you know, in Tanzania
and incorporate Bitcoin into that,
what do you think of?
Yeah, I mean, that's, that's really great a question
and, and I think my friend asked me, you know,
something similar, and, and to be honest,
it was like, I had to get my wife on board first, really.
So that was, that was phase one.
Yeah, and she's all in, and she's, she's all in,
in the sense of what I've done in here is started a,
an academy, a proof of work academy,
and that's, that, that was what led me
to climb Kilimanjaro,
because I am very focused on the next generation,
and the frustrations that, the, even, even my generation
has in regards to what inflation has done
for us to get on the property ladder,
for us to own assets, and all sorts,
because it, it has been really difficult,
because I'll tell you in the 80s, here, buying land.
So usually instead of buying houses,
and then, it was so vast there, we used people buy land,
and then they, and then they've slowly build a build,
and then have the family house.
So, so in the 80s, my mom said she bought like a piece of land,
like, no more than, maybe like a quarter of an acre,
for like, I think it was about $10.
And now, that's like $8.96, she said she bought it.
And now, in that location, in Dallas,
to Laum, like you can't, you can't,
you can't buy land there for less than 100,000 USD.
Like, you can't, you cannot, no way, no way,
200 million times in an inch,
about 100,000 times in an inch, 100,000 USD, like you cannot,
like, the way things have inflated here is, is, is, is crazy.
So, by landing in specific places,
and the way, the way, the, the way the economy is just,
is, is as, it's so fast here, is, and that's why I moved back,
because I saw, in my opinion, for myself,
it didn't suit me to be in, in the UK,
because it was, it was saturated,
less, less, less, I was an Elon Musk,
to have that kind of idea, I felt, I would be,
I would feel just be like, you know,
a small fish in a big pond,
but in Tanzania, I just felt there was an opportunity
for me to maneuver and kind of,
make some impact called changes.
So, creating educational,
I want to create an educational hub here,
I should, which I've,
I should've kind of been posting about on NOSTA,
called for work academy.
So, educating the next generation,
I mean, definitely goes around me,
but the next gen, they get it.
I mean, I don't, like yesterday,
I was just talking to my nephew on the phone, he's about 18.
I just told him about NOSTA,
he literally just joined in, like, within, like,
two minutes, he's on NOSTA posting
and he said that app is futuristic
and then he went viral.
But the way that they just,
but me trying to tell my dad about NOSTA,
just, it takes, it takes, it takes an age.
It takes a time to,
for him to, to kind of get his mind around it,
but the youth, man, they, they grew up on internet.
So, so, they, they get it super quick.
So, so my work here is, I feel, is to educate.
Definitely, I plan to stay here,
base here, use Bitcoin as a way to kind of create,
kind of opportunities, you know, within music,
within sports, and just, just day-to-day,
just financial literacy about Bitcoin,
is really what I wanna,
my mission to do here in Tanzania.
Now, are, are, are you in Doris,
Al-Alam, where, where you at?
- So, I'm in Arusha now.
I used to live in Dorisalam,
but now I'm in Arusha.
So, Arusha is, they call it the, what do you call it?
They call it the Geneva of Africa.
(laughs)
- Hi! - Yeah, yeah, so they call it,
but if, if you come, when you come,
if, when you come, and you come see me.
And so, this is really the Safari hub,
when you come to Tanzania.
- Arusha.
- And, and it's a beautiful place.
- Really, really beautiful.
- Yeah, you just, you're just South Aquinia,
you're, you're probably like two,
two hours south in Nairobi, probably, right?
- Yeah, yeah.
So, in a, in a, in a bus,
like it takes like five hours.
- Oh, that's right. - Or there's what?
- Right, okay.
- Yeah, it is a big country, man.
So, so, but anyway, but that's the great thing.
Very close to Nairobi.
And we have the parks here, so Serengeti,
and Gorongorra Crata, Tarigi Ray,
like Manjara, all those.
And then down the street from us is,
is Moshi, where Kilimanjaro is.
- Yeah.
- Like, it's just, it's just where it's at.
I just see Bitcoin is coming here
and enjoying themselves, man.
So, I'm, I'm trying to,
I'm trying to accommodate it for you guys when you guys come.
It's seamless.
- Yeah. - And you guys have a great time here, man.
So, so that's the work I'm doing as well.
So tourism is, is, is there too.
So, yeah, I mean, we moved to Arusha,
and then my wife and I,
working on an education project here in Arusha,
and I'm also incorporating Bitcoin to that too.
- Fantastic.
All right.
Now, let me ask you a really dumb American question.
- Sure.
- I know that, you know, in between you and Somalia is Kenya,
Kenya is also, you know, really doing well.
But, but I know that there have been a lot of challenges,
politically, religiously, coming out of Somalia.
Does any of that find its way down into Tanzania
or you guys pretty well,
or even the challenges in Uganda
or you guys pretty well insulated from all that?
- Yeah, I would say we're relatively peaceful here,
and don't get as much of that interactions
as much as those countries do.
- Yeah, I mean, for the 10-year-old being here,
it's been a really peaceful time,
and yeah, I think we're known for that as well.
But yeah, there's the challenges all around,
and we have ours too,
but known for being relatively peaceful country,
and those challenges are not as much
that I kind of get reported,
or that I get known of about so.
So, yeah, it's relatively peaceful here.
- It has been fascinating.
I mean, I work in the finance industry here in the States,
and I've always had a passion for macroeconomics,
and it is fascinating to see what's going on
in Africa as a continent with respect to its development.
I mean, I know there are dozens and dozens
of internal political issues.
There's awful civil wars, there's,
but on the whole, the economic future for the continent
is really stunning.
Again, first of all, I apologize if I sound like
a dumb, entitled, uneducated American,
but it is stunning when you read about the developments
that are going on in Africa,
and when you read about the potential that is going on,
from a continent perspective, man,
I mean, it's kind of one of those things like,
man, I wish I could come back in 200, 300 years
and just see where Africa as a continent sits
compared to the rest of the world today, right?
- I agree with you, and that's why I moved.
I was like, you know, I'm living in the UK,
just historically dominant country, worldwide.
English spoken pretty much everywhere.
And then there's Tanzania, which is a young country
that independence in '60s, you know?
It's a baby, it's a young country, man.
So, of course, we're making those teenage mistakes right now,
and we're still trying to figure things out
and kind of figure out our neighbors
and try to figure out where we do and try to get ahead
and all those things.
And the continent is like that.
It feels like that, you know, to a certain degree,
that there's youth there, there's kind of a youthfulness about it.
But we're leapfrogging things.
Like the way the tech has come here, you know,
the way the internet is literally just connected everything.
And it's allowed us to leapfrog.
Like my grandmother didn't have a landline,
she went straight to a mobile phone.
Like, God, no way, that's cool.
- She was sort of, you know what I'm saying?
Like this one I'm saying, like we've leapfrog so much stuff
and technologies and the amazing thing is like,
you know, like I said, like I can pay someone,
even cross-border, I can use the payment rails here
between Kenya and Uganda, I can pay their mobile funds
and they'll receive it in their own currency as well.
The payment rails are here, they're there
for these mobile money things.
So it's like, it's prime, man, it is a prime place to be.
So what you're saying is right in the senses,
so much so much can happen and the internet is really just made
in an amazing opportunity and then put Bitcoin on top of that.
It's just, it's borderless, man, it's crazy.
- Well, tell me a little bit about the educational work
that you and your wife do and how people over here
might be able to assist you guys.
- Oh, yeah, sure.
So my wife and I, we met, we met actually
at a school, so I joined a Christian school,
international school in Darisalam and she was working there.
And really what connected us was our passion for youth
and just the way things were going
and what we felt we could contribute to change that.
So I'm big on sports as well,
so that's a passion of mine as well, as well as music.
So that is my angle with regarding music and sport
to kind of influence that way.
And my wife is more early years and really conscious about
just the way the kids are developing as well.
So what we've done, we teamed up with another family
and we were homeschooling some kids
and now we moved to Russia where they're based
and we set up the learning orchard.
- Okay.
- So, and with the learning orchard, again,
it's really focusing on kids who do need
learning accommodations such as dyslexia,
dyscaphalia, ADHD and kind of creating those,
those environments where it's not like a desk
kind of situated place, it's more of a kind of a free form
play learn and kind of just kind of having the arts there
and a little bit more expansive in that kind of sense
rather than the curriculum kind of scalable schooling
that we've been a part of.
We really wanted to experience that
and you know, like we have kids as well.
So we wanna be thinking about that for our kids
going forward as well.
So that's the meaning of the work.
And I guess my Bitcoin journey, you know,
in depth kind of started in 2020.
So I'm still kind of new to it, but I have seen
and we've seen as a family how it is really shaped us
and shaped our finances.
So again, it's something that we, you know,
she's been really great about learning about it
and then also trusting me to incorporate into
what we do at the school.
So what I've kind of then has created something separate
called Proof of Work Academy,
which will be hosting meetups at the same location.
So I've heard of Bitcoin part,
I've kind of heard how it is
and I was fascinated by the sound of that.
So we have a house here
where we're gonna be doing the classes.
But then also there's a cool hall,
like a really big hall that we can do performances in.
So my friends at Wave Lake, what up Sam, what up Mike?
So they've been really great.
And I said, I wanna do some Wave Lake live performances there
and get them on and talk to the ENID and chief EMO Diesel.
My friends here in Tanzania who are also performers
and got on Wave Lake recently.
So we've been talking about that.
I wanna get that going.
Got a coffee shop there too.
So I really wanna just create this space for people to have
be creative in the arts and in the music.
And then also we have this educational space as well.
And yeah, we just wanna contribute to this community
that we live in and just share what's changed our lives
with through Bitcoin, what Christians as well.
So definitely our faith is very shaped us
and what there's just we make and where we go and what we do.
So a combination of those things is what we wanna do.
So they're on the verge of going online.
So they're not quite online yet.
I'm trying to help them on the Bitcoin side of things
just kind of in court to see how we can incorporate that.
But they're getting there.
But if you support ProveWork Academy,
then it supports them too.
So.
- Okay, well you just dropped a boatload of links on us.
- Well you were talking and I was listening.
I was also looking up the websites
and I will link them in this podcast because I would love
to see people donate and help.
So right now in the podcast when I publish it,
you should have a link to the learning orchard,
which is the learning orchard.sc.eZ, right?
- Yep.
And then I'm looking at you on LinkedIn right now.
- So what?
- Yeah, where Academy?
- Yeah, what mainly guys are from ProveWork Academy?
- So if you go on geyser.fund,
and then it should be P-O-W-A.
Yeah, so definitely if you go into the geyser.fund website,
I have a geyser fund there.
Climb Killy got raised.
I think I'm up like eight million sets
down the communities.
- Yeah, baby.
- The communities, man, I love Nostum.
I know those guys and that place is just
changed my whole year, man.
- Shout out to Wabelake for dropping a million sets in there.
- Those guys don't play.
Those guys don't play.
- Yeah, man.
- Yes.
- Yeah, so it's really cool, man.
And I just appreciate, like I appreciate ProveWork,
I appreciate the integrity about it.
And I'm just very honored and humbled
that people are supporting,
and we're putting it to what we say we're gonna do.
So, I'm grateful that that's the reputation we have over here.
- Love it.
Now is that you holding that,
where in the Black shirt and holding
the Nostritch Lightning 5.5?
Is that you?
- Yeah, yeah, that's good.
- Look at that handsome dude.
- Woo!
- I took that up to Killam and Jarrow, man.
I took that up right into the top, 5,800 and 95 meters up.
Hi, man.
I went up there.
So that's the cover of the straight-peptane album cover.
And yeah, so I got zapped all the way to the top.
- Love it.
Love it.
And you gotta let us know, definitely shoot me an email
or whatever when these events,
when these live events are coming up
so that we can help you.
- So we can help you promote it.
And I'm thrilled to hear that you're gonna have Enid in there.
We're gonna, I'm actually gonna interview her next week.
So I'm looking forward to that.
- That's gonna be great.
She has such a wonderful voice.
- Yeah, she does.
- Yeah, we met in a Rousha, we were colleagues
and I just told her about what I'm doing on Wave Lake.
And she's got a bunch of songs in the head.
And yeah, so I'm looking forward to working with her more as well.
- Yeah, I love that fly track.
Yeah, she's got a great voice.
And I've actually got a whole other fan-in-power music
hour set and ready to go with a lot of world music
and a lot of artists from Africa on it.
I mean, there's a lot of great pop and hip hop
and R&B world beats coming out of,
coming out of Wave Lake.
I mean, it's fantastic.
It's really great.
- You've done such a great job in one year, man.
Like, it's night and day, night and day, night and day.
So congrats to those guys.
- Yeah, all right.
So we've got, all right.
So I gotta email myself these links for the,
for when I put together the chapters in a couple of days.
Wow, man, you are an inspiration.
Yet you really are.
I love what you're doing for kids and for paying it forward
for the next generation and devoting your life
to the next generation.
That is, I'm not a loss for words, man.
- Appreciate, man.
- Appreciate.
And I've been inspired a lot by the community as well,
by the way.
There's some amazing people online, man, who, yeah,
are just really amazing people.
So I've had days where it's been hard and not wanted to,
just throwing the towel, but just been encouraged by,
by a message, by a, just whatever, man.
So I'm truly grateful for the support as well, man.
It's just helped me keep going.
So, yeah, and I give it out as much as I can as well.
So congrats to you.
So I listened to every show of yours before we got on, man.
And yeah, you talk to everybody, man.
And you got a great love for music.
I do love opera now.
And yeah, I appreciate that, man.
You got, you got a real love for it.
So I'm really honored to be here.
And thank you for giving me the time
to share my story of it with you.
My pleasure.
And look, look, I'm not kidding when I say that people
over here know who you are.
And if you were to tell anybody in the NOSTER world,
hey, man, I'm coming over to the States.
Everybody's going to open up their house to you.
But just so you know, if you make it to Nashville,
you and your family, you guys got a place to stay, man.
Don't worry about that.
That's what's up, man.
I mean, here are you and Joe talk about Nashville, man.
That sounded awesome, man.
Yeah.
It sounded really, really cool space, man.
So I'd love to do--
And he's a great guy, by the way.
Yeah.
We've got some fat chats, man.
He's an awesome guy.
And I'm--
Well, you guys are--
you guys are brothers of the middle country of England.
That's so true.
You know?
So random.
But yeah, he sees the legend, then.
Yeah, you guys probably spent half your conversations,
talking about football and making fun of the other guys.
Team.
I'm trying to get the million stats he's got locked up
in that Jetson song.
I think somebody got it already.
Oh, man, Joe.
He's just causing a bet.
I'm not calling him up about that.
I'm not calling him up.
I don't know.
I'm speculating.
We love you, Joe.
Well, hey, listen.
But before we play the last track of the show,
which is going to be SPC, do you have anything else you want
to add anything?
Oh, let me ask you one question.
Oh, yeah.
Let me ask you one question.
What-- how do you sell this to musicians?
How do you-- like, how did you get--
[INAUDIBLE]
--face?
Like, if you run a car, a great hip-hop artist,
a great neo-fool artist, and Tanzania,
and you're like, dude, you're not making any money on Spotify.
Let me tell you about something else.
Like, how do you sell it?
How do you sell it?
Yeah, I kid you not.
We were in the staff room, so I'm working in a school setting
with E-Nid, and then--
and in a few of them, it was E-Nid, Modizo,
and not the guy Kochi, if you be an easy guy,
is a great artist as well.
And they were quite proudly talking about their Spotify
and what was going on there.
And I just let them talk about it.
And I was just like, until they kind of run out of steam,
I was like, listen, what if I told you
that you could put your song, whatever song you got,
you could put it on a place, and you could get paid immediately
for it.
And then the eyes check up.
Because right now, I know--
Yeah, because then right now, I know whatever spins you get
is going to take 90 days for it to reflect
to your account on top of that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then how much you get for one spin?
Oh, man.
Like, it's like 0.44 cents.
And like, OK.
So how about-- how about--
let me tell you something about this.
And then I was-- my wave of leg was popping at the time.
And so, yeah.
So I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was--
I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was-- I was--
but you get what you give.
And I think that-- I think that was another thing.
I think even you talked about was the artist about,
even just loud and-- and ANSly.
I remember the comments.
I remember ANSly-- she would--
she would-- she would like--
she would respond to every comment on that she got.
She would respond to me like three times.
I wrote like, how great her songs were and stuff like that.
Like, that interaction and, you know, the thing
like, you build your reputation on there.
And you can't do that like that on Spotify.
I don't know who listened to my track.
I don't know if they liked it or not.
Yeah, you can.
I don't know who it was.
But right now, I can see-- I can see there.
It was Joe Martin.
And he used to drop me 25,000 sats.
He's got a fat term sometimes.
I don't know about it.
But I appreciate it.
And then-- but that's what I'm saying.
So that you can cultivate that.
You can cultivate that.
So that's what I love about it.
And then learning about it, they appreciate it.
I'm like, I don't know, I think.
We kind of got a lot of sats because we were kind of on your
cocktail.
And I'm like, it is what it is.
I'm doing my best.
And let's work together.
And let's try and promote each other.
So that's my goal for 2024 to get a team of us here--
me, Staphrick Tanzania, Staphricka.
Kivinia, I've already spoke to her as well.
As soon as I was tracking her--
God, I love Kivinia.
She's so good.
She's in here to track.
I was hounding her email.
I told the joint nurse there.
I told her-- and I was just like--
yeah, had to chat with her as well.
And just amazing, man.
I was just like, wow.
Like, yeah, we got some special people coming out of East
Africa.
So yeah, that's how I sold it to them as well.
So just told them about the community aspect of it.
And they dig it.
She's Kivinia's just lovely.
I had such a wonderful conversation.
Absolutely.
That was a great show.
Abihana is another one.
I don't know exactly where she's at.
But her song "Far Away" with Femi--
I love that track.
And I just-- and I love her voice.
I-- you know, it's interesting.
When I talk to artists over here,
when I try to onboard artists over here in the states,
they get turned off by Bitcoin.
And I think it's probably because in many respects,
they're too comfortable with our financial systems here,
which, you know, yet you talked earlier
about the inflation where in 2013, it was a dollar
to 1,500 shillings.
And now it's up to 2,500 shillings.
We haven't had that level of inflation here, of course.
But when you bring up Bitcoin to musicians here,
it's still a scary thing.
And I think-- and I was thinking about this this morning
when I was on my walk.
I think it's because they don't understand
how precarious that the financial system can be.
And they kind of look at our financial system
as like a necessary evil that's just a nuisance.
They don't look at it as like, hey, man,
this is a serious problem.
I-- you know, they're so fortunate to live in this country
that they just take the challenges for what they are
and they don't investigate them further.
And they don't realize that these are major financial issues,
these sovereignty issues, are critical to anybody.
I don't care if you're in a developing country,
or if you're in the States or UK.
And they just kind of dismiss Bitcoin
as kind of like monopoly money or play money.
So I try to focus not on the--
I try not to mention Bitcoin at all.
And I just talk about a new revenue stream, revenue stream,
revenue stream.
And as you said, getting paid instantly--
Yeah, yeah.
And to the community, yeah, community aspect of it too,
because yeah, I mean, like every set that I've got,
like I said, this whole value for value thing,
like it just makes sense.
Like it makes sense that I've contributed my time, my effort,
my energy, my talent, into focusing to a three-minute song,
whatever the case may be.
However long it took me to make that.
And wherever you are in the world, which is the amazing part,
wherever you are in the world, if you have Bitcoin
and you're on the same rails as me, you can share something
that is of value that we both respect and say that's of value.
And you can share it with me.
That just blows my mind.
That's why climbing Kylip Mangerro is my case study
to talk to people.
I'm like, you might want to build an orphanage.
You might want to build something else.
I just climbed Kylip and I raised whatever about $1,000 to do so.
You could do something even more impactful for a community
by and get support from around the world, peer-to-peer.
That blows my mind.
I'm like, that's what I'm about.
And that's what I want to encourage and share the part of it.
But I appreciate what you say.
If you're in a place that--
I'll just keep it real in my house, man.
We didn't have water.
There was something wrong with the water line for two, three days.
I had to go shower with my neighbor's house
because it was an issue.
I turned on my taps and there was no water.
I've had power outages here multiple times.
So over Christmas, I had to use the generator.
These are the things that kind of happen for us on this side,
the day to day, and a normal twist.
And then when we hear something like a Bitcoin thing,
or something like that, they'll be grabbed with two hands
because it's not a straight line here.
It's up and down, peaks and valleys, a lot more.
It's not a stable power, water, just roads, just infrastructure,
just all those things.
When you-- I've had an opportunity in my life
to witness and live in both sides.
And I can grab it with both hands.
I can see that I'm very blessed and very fortunate
to experience and acknowledge that this is an opportunity.
And that's why I want to share it with the people around me,
especially here in Tanzania.
Well said, because you've seen life and society
from both sides of the coin from having lived in the middle
country to being intangible.
I mean, to sum it up, I guess, Americans--
and I won't pick on Canadians or anybody in the UK.
But I'll pick on America because it deserves it.
They are-- they're so privileged and--
but lazy at the same time.
They don't recognize how valuable this is.
They are willing to accept the flaws of this economy
as just an inconvenience because of where America stands,
financially, with the rest of the world.
But they're not willing to look into the faults
of our financial system to understand
how valuable Bitcoin is.
They're so-- it hurts me to know in how
privileged and lazy Americans are.
And that's going to be an unpopular statement that might get
me some hate mail, but bring it, screw it.
You know, like we have an obligation to help our fellow man.
We have an obligation because we're all in this together.
I don't give a damn about borders.
I don't give a damn about-- about any of that stuff.
We are all in this together, and we've
got to help each other out to make this place a better
for the next generation.
And people like you are actually making a difference.
When you have every reason in the world to be selfish and do
it all for yourself because of where you are and what you're
trying to do just for your wife and your family.
But here you are out there doing it for others, man.
And yet you're an inspiration.
And it's stunning.
Appreciate it.
And I just want to compliment as well in the sense that isn't
amazing that you can be there in Nashville and Amian Tanzania.
And there is a way you can support me.
And vice versa.
Isn't that just cool?
That there's a way that--
hey, don, his $5,000 with his $5,000 in fact.
And you know, you can go to something that would make an impact
in the community beyond where you are.
That's just-- that's just bug my mind, man.
And that's what's so cool about it.
And that's who we are.
Here we are.
And here we are talking about it.
And here we are doing something about it.
So I think that's the opportunity when we can-- when those
can wake up and say, hey, man, it might be a hunky-dory ram.
But let me look and see how I can--
I don't have to get on a plane.
I can just find a wallet and forward it
to something and contribute to someone like Paco going
around the world.
And you know, I've got my friends, Guerrilla Satson, Uganda,
Brendan, I've got Master Guantai and Duin,
Dick Koyne and Tony and Nairobi, Dick Koyne,
Dadda, Marcel, you've got KG, you've
doing much in Cura, you've got--
you've got Oken doing easy Sats in the Mibbia.
I can go on and on and on about these amazing people here
in Africa doing things for their community to just get them
out of this matrix and just get them on board.
So yeah, I appreciate that brothers
insisted they were doing their part here
and encouraged me to do it too.
Now, on the Learning Orchard website,
is there a lightning address or is there a way people
can send Bitcoin to the Learning Orchard directly?
That isn't, you know?
And that's on me because I'm slash operations for them.
And you're initiating me to have that conversation.
So right now, no.
OK.
But if anything gets sent to proof of work academy
and gets tagged as Learning Orchard, then it will go to them too.
So if worst comes to worst, you can go to the guys
of funds, Poir address, and we can wire it to them.
But I need to get them set up ASAP.
OK.
Cool.
Well, Quex, thanks.
This has been a lot of fun.
Oh, man.
Yeah, we're going to--
Go ahead.
Malasha is too rock.
And the team at Stempster, I would not
be here without them, too.
That protocol, that format on things, blow my mind.
I get to collaborate with the most amazing people,
musicians around the world, and make an album.
So thank you so much to them.
Hold tight, all those guys at Stempster.
And I'm truly, truly grateful for that as well.
I'm going to drop into the song in there, actually, tonight.
So it's fun.
Fantastic.
All right.
And I'll put a link to Stempster in the chapter
so people can go right into it.
And with that said, we will wrap it up,
and you will take us out with SPC.
Big Plum Chain.
Man, I really hope we can meet in person someday.
Very much so.
Me too.
All right, well, hang on the line a second,
and we'll let the song kick off.
But appreciate you coming on.
Here we go.
Let's say straight Plum Chain.
Yeah, straight Plum Chain.
Yeah.
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I know a sup that courage see your eye Will reach the end of the month, that's why I bank with bitcoin
I'm telling everybody here, just check the stats it's been 15 years
My life quakes
By the way, is Newtra's set
we're on the top, or what what's the name of that?
We on top
Wow, what an inspirational guy
You know, I could sit here and just like keep redoing the chapters and coming up with different points of interest in that whole interview
I'm just so impressed by him and I'm so thankful that I got a chance to talk to him
So if you're interested in supporting what he is doing with the proof of work academy
Please take a minute to go back into whatever app you're on like fountain or podverse
and go to the show notes because I'm going to put a link in there to the proof of work academy to the Geyser Fund
there where you can donate
I will also put a link to the learningorcher.sc.tz so that you can find it there and support them
I'm going to also try and find a way to put a link to what he's doing over on Stemster
Yeah, so that's it. What a great guy follow him on Noster and support him all you can
Really amazing stories coming from what he's doing philanthropically with his organizations, with his music
And just a sweetheart, man, just a sweetheart
So that'll do it that is Phantom Power Artist Hour Episode 5 featuring the one and only men like Quacks
And next up I think we got Enid coming up next week and then I got one of the Dwarfals
We're playing an email tag and also going to be doing that band out of Texas FM rodeo
So that's going to be fun looking forward to those guys too. Thank you to everybody who's sending in stats and supporting the shows
Don't forget to check out Phantom Power Business Hour as well as the Music Hour and the Music Review
Huge mouches, gracias to Dobidoss with RSS Blue for all the help he's doing behind the scenes
As well as Adam and Dave Jones and everything they have done in the podcasting 2.0 world
That'll do it, that's the show, peace out, Mouches Crossius and do not forget to smile for your mugshot
Bye
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