1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:11,200 [Music] 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,320 Hey everybody, welcome back, welcome back to Phantom Power Music. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:23,040 This is the Artist Hour series where we interview unsigned artists from around the world. 4 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,720 This is episode four, we got a great one for you today, really cool band out of Pittsburgh, 5 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:34,720 called Herb of War, who are just getting into the whole Bitcoin value for value world. 6 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:45,520 What is value for value? That is the exchange of value between the listener and the artists 7 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:53,520 that they hear on these musical broadcasts, or between the listener and the podcast host. 8 00:00:53,520 --> 00:01:00,080 That is where the listener can send in little pieces of Bitcoin, otherwise known as Satoshi's, 9 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:08,320 directly through those modern podcasting 2.0 apps that you are listening to this show on, 10 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:17,920 such as Podverse, Podfans, Curiocaster, Fountain, things like that, looked up podcasting 2.0 apps 11 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:25,680 through Google that, you will find these amazing apps where you can listen to podcasts and send in 12 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:32,800 little pieces of Bitcoin directly via Lightning Network and some cool wallets, 13 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,720 splitting technologies and all that kind of fun stuff that I talk about on so many other shows. 14 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Anyways, great interview with a couple of the guys from this band out of Pittsburgh, 15 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,880 called Herb of War, we are going to be talking to Matt, the singer, 16 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:53,680 Anthony the drummer and Nick, who is the sound guy and part-time bass player and definitely 17 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,960 kind of like the sounds like he is the band historian and the band sound guy, that type of dude, 18 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,240 and every band needs a dude like that, he is a really cool guy. 19 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:10,000 But we are going to listen to their most recent single first, which is called On the Walk Home, 20 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,720 we are going to play that and then we will play the extended interview with these guys. 21 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:20,320 Hope you got your wallets all stacked up with some Bitcoin and you can send some sats to these 22 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:26,240 fellas. This is a really cool, really unique band that spans a lot of genres and they kept me guessing 23 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,600 and that is why they are on the show because I think they are really hip. So I will shut up, 24 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,960 let's play their latest single called On the Walk Home and then we will bring them on the show. 25 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,240 Here we go. 26 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:50,480 Boys are waiting for a sign of an engagement spot in your eyes to show me a path which 27 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:57,760 is doing a bar. It never came so high-state and dark. 28 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:14,000 Just come with me and grab our start of the track. 29 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,280 We got caught in the snow before we had done. 30 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,160 With no sound around. 31 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,920 We're taking to the mine as we walk slow. 32 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:27,760 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 33 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:34,480 Then we knew this quite on The Walk Home would be slow. 34 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:47,920 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 35 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:54,160 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 36 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,400 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 37 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,400 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 38 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:14,560 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 39 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:20,960 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 40 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:27,280 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 41 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,280 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 42 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,320 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 43 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,440 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 44 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,160 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 45 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,440 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 46 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,440 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 47 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,640 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 48 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,840 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 49 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:55,040 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 50 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,120 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 51 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:57,920 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 52 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,920 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 53 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:06,000 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 54 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,240 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 55 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,480 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 56 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:19,520 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 57 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,920 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 58 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,920 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 59 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,520 And I'm lost, I have walked to the spot. 60 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,880 [MUSIC PLAYING] 61 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,240 [MUSIC PLAYING] 62 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,600 [MUSIC PLAYING] 63 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,960 [MUSIC PLAYING] 64 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,320 [MUSIC PLAYING] 65 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,680 [MUSIC PLAYING] 66 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,040 [MUSIC PLAYING] 67 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,400 [MUSIC PLAYING] 68 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,760 [MUSIC PLAYING] 69 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,120 [MUSIC PLAYING] 70 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,480 [MUSIC PLAYING] 71 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,840 [MUSIC PLAYING] 72 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,200 [MUSIC PLAYING] 73 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,560 [MUSIC PLAYING] 74 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,920 [MUSIC PLAYING] 75 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,280 [MUSIC PLAYING] 76 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,640 [MUSIC PLAYING] 77 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,000 [MUSIC PLAYING] 78 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,360 [MUSIC PLAYING] 79 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,720 [MUSIC PLAYING] 80 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,080 [MUSIC PLAYING] 81 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,440 [MUSIC PLAYING] 82 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,800 [MUSIC PLAYING] 83 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,160 [MUSIC PLAYING] 84 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,520 [MUSIC PLAYING] 85 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,880 [MUSIC PLAYING] 86 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,240 [MUSIC PLAYING] 87 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,600 [MUSIC PLAYING] 88 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,960 [MUSIC PLAYING] 89 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,320 [MUSIC PLAYING] 90 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,680 [MUSIC PLAYING] 91 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,680 [MUSIC PLAYING] 92 00:07:37,360 --> 00:08:04,400 [MUSIC PLAYING] 93 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,460 (loud laughter) 94 00:08:07,460 --> 00:08:10,460 like if I were to, like if you guys were mixing my band. 95 00:08:10,460 --> 00:08:19,720 and I said, Hey man, put some grease on that kick. 96 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,200 What do you think grease would be? 97 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,460 - Posey! - Nick? 98 00:08:23,460 --> 00:08:25,900 (laughs) 99 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:30,300 - Something that's gonna give it some nice fat character. 100 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,800 - You know grease? 101 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,760 - Have you guys ever heard that? 102 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,200 You guys never heard that? 103 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,760 - I am old man. (laughs) 104 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,040 - Well, it's really, it's really. - I'll read you for it. 105 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,600 - Okay, actually never, I didn't know that. 106 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,660 Posey, we make, we pick one of him for having greasy air, 107 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:49,440 'cause Italian and he's our drummer. 108 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,640 So I would probably say something related to that. 109 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,880 - Drama or greasy? (laughs) 110 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,140 - Love it, love it. 111 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:58,680 Well let's just dive right in. 112 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:00,860 I mean, shit, I might even just, uh, 113 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,840 if I'd even just edit out the first couple of seconds of that, 114 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 but thank you guys for joining me. 115 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,240 We've got Matt, Anthony and Nick, right? 116 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,240 - Right. - Yep. 117 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,760 - Okay, now who, just, now what, 118 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:14,840 we're not gonna use the video, we're just gonna use the audio. 119 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:15,840 Like who's who here? 120 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,400 Which one's Matt? 121 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,160 - Matt. - Okay, Matt's on the right. 122 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,840 - Yeah, you're Matt. - Matt in the middle. 123 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,880 - Matt in the middle, Anthony. 124 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,440 - Right here. - Anthony on the right 125 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,440 and then Nick on the left. 126 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,680 All right, let me make a note over here so I can, 127 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,400 so I know who, Nick on the left. 128 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,400 And you guys are joining us from Pittsburgh, 129 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,320 the city of bridges, the city of city. 130 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,720 - Greatest city in the world. 131 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,600 - Right on. 132 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,120 And we just heard, we started off the podcast 133 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,960 with a little intro and then I played on the walk home 134 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,560 and then we're gonna do at the end of the show, 135 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:58,000 I'll take it out with pixelated smile. 136 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,680 But you guys are really fascinating to me. 137 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:07,680 Like every, like, what is the origin story of herbivore? 138 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:14,240 - I guess I'll take this one away a little bit. 139 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,560 It pretty much started with me and Anthony. 140 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,280 We used to work at an Italian restaurant together 141 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,080 and then we met there and I went over to hang out 142 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,320 and he had a drum set there and I was like, 143 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,200 "I'll do it, he played drums and stuff." 144 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,160 And he's like, "Yeah man, you play guitar and stuff?" 145 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,080 I was like, "Yeah." 146 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,200 And then we started jamming and that's pretty much it. 147 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,760 The true origin. 148 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,840 - Okay, well, I think Anthony might have... 149 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,080 - Yeah, he's got a different side of the story there. 150 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,600 - Well, no, I'll second that because that's pretty much 151 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,360 how it happened, however, just to give a little bit more 152 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,120 detail in context, maybe when we started playing, 153 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,400 I was, I don't know, a couple years out of playing 154 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,520 in another band and I didn't think I was really gonna play 155 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,600 in another band post coming to college 156 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,760 and then we started jamming and I was like, 157 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,800 "There's something here that I haven't felt in a while 158 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,480 since I really actually play with my cousin 159 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,440 and had a certain, I don't wanna say vibe, 160 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,040 but had that, had a certain presence with each other, 161 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,080 certain feel. 162 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,480 We had a certain feel and I was like, 163 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,800 this is cool and I think from there, 164 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,680 we just hung out and would play music and piss off the neighbors 165 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:32,440 and piss off the fraternity and sorority girls 166 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,720 as they walk past. 167 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,280 - Yeah, it was interesting. 168 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,440 I suppose he was a punk drummer when I met him, 169 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,320 straight up thrash or a fellow punk drummer. 170 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,520 - Very much a punk drummer still, 171 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,560 but obviously, Erberwurst and punk music. 172 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:48,320 So I think I kind of helped him go outside of his realm 173 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,920 of drum playing and he also brought a lot of good, 174 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,400 kind of drive to my more mellow writing style, 175 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,360 like acoustic based stuff, 176 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,360 which really helped to spice up the songs 177 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,960 and give a feel that we thought was pretty unique. 178 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,120 So. 179 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,560 - Nick, what do you play, dude? 180 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:12,800 - I play the sound console typically, 181 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,040 sometimes I pick up a bass, but I kind of enter the picture. 182 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,120 I mean, anything's drums were the first thing I recorded, 183 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,840 way back when he wrote the street for me. 184 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,840 So we've been tight and then he kind of contacted me 185 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,240 and was like, hey, kind of working with these guys 186 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,680 playing some music. 187 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:32,960 He's like, okay, let's go on and some tracks and stuff. 188 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,960 So when in for a weekend and we recorded an entire album, 189 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,920 I mean, we did some follow up, but I was like, hey, 190 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,360 I think there's a band here, guys. 191 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,920 - Yeah, and now are you talking about the two-south 192 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,720 2017 release of college years? 193 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:54,720 - Yeah, when we, the first time I met Nick was the day 194 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,280 that we started recording that album. 195 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,280 And we also met our buddy Kevin who does keyboards. 196 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,920 That was the first time I'd met him through Anthony here. 197 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,200 He's like, oh, my friend plays keys, 198 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,360 he'll come down and play too. 199 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,320 So the first time we played as a band, 200 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,000 we actually recorded that album. 201 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,960 - Damn. 202 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,640 Well, the reason why you guys are so interesting to me 203 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,760 is like, is twofold, number, while it's more than twofold. 204 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,800 But for starters, I look on your socials and I see 205 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,520 an eight person band and I'm like, oh, sweet Jesus, 206 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,480 how the hell's that work, right? 207 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,040 And then, and we'll get into that. 208 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,760 But then I like, when I listen to your tracks, 209 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,760 like if I listen to like smoke stacks or college debt, 210 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,000 I'm like, okay, this is a grunge band. 211 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,200 It's got a little, maybe it's a little bit of Beastie boys, right? 212 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,760 And then I hear pixelated smile and I'm like, 213 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,040 okay, it's just like emo pop. 214 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,880 Like, I dig it all. 215 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,600 I'm not bagging on any of it, please don't get me wrong. 216 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,840 But like you guys have such a wide sound. 217 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,200 And then you pull off something really wacky, 218 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:14,840 like birds aren't real, right? 219 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,480 But. - That was an amp. 220 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,880 - But you guys have such a wide sound. 221 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,880 Like as I was listening to, I think it was pixelated smile 222 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,640 earlier and just taking some notes. 223 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Like I'm hearing a little bit of aquarium rescue unit, 224 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,800 a little bit of leftover salmon. 225 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,640 If you guys know that band out of Boulder. 226 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,480 - Oh yeah. 227 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:44,440 Like you guys can be grungy, you can be a bit of a jam band. 228 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,120 You can be, you're completely willing 229 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,440 to have a lot of fun and put wacky stuff out there too. 230 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,920 So that's, that huge sound is what enticed me. 231 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,800 And I think I wrote about that or I mentioned that 232 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,720 in one of the review blogs. 233 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:07,720 - Yeah, no, I think it's reflective of our own musical tastes 234 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,840 because like we said from the beginning, 235 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,520 I come from a certain background and I know Matt 236 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,280 comes from a certain background, but we're always finding 237 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,640 similarities in the bands that we listen to. 238 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,640 Our expanded is a really good example 239 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,160 because our expanded has their first albums of Scott Punk album. 240 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,480 But you know, they have fully grown into current day Rx 241 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:33,000 which would be frog, rock, you know, hard rock 242 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,400 and intricate drum parts, intricate guitar parts, 243 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,680 awesome vocals. 244 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,880 And I think it, it's just led into credence too 245 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,520 that the fact that a lot of the bands that, you know, 246 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,080 we have a wide variety of bands that we listen to. 247 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:52,120 But of those bands, those bands themselves are versatile, 248 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,800 you know, and not only one dimensional. 249 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,000 - Yeah, and to piggyback off that, 250 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,000 I think, I think that are, how we intentionally change things, 251 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,200 we've actually received some critiques from people on that, 252 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,200 like, oh, it's not cohesive enough, right? 253 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,240 And I admit, it really wasn't. 254 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,800 But the college years was now, there was just an amalgam 255 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,360 of things that we had done that we slapped together. 256 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,920 It wasn't supposed to be cohesive. 257 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,600 We didn't have like a point to doing it, right? 258 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,560 Aside from just doing it. 259 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,560 - Yeah, yeah. 260 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,040 - And, you know, one of my favorite bands, Faith No More, 261 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:31,040 is a band that can do heavy metal, rock, jazz, country. 262 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,280 And they still keep that within a cohesive lane, you know what I mean? 263 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,080 Like, so, I'm inspired by bands like that. 264 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,480 And I just think, I think too much cohesion is really good, 265 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,200 especially for an album, but it also kind of just gets a little boring 266 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,640 and stuff starts sounding the same sometimes to me, so. 267 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,120 - Yeah, and let me correct myself. 268 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,160 It wasn't pixelated smile when I was listening to that, 269 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,280 that kind of got me thinking of leftover salmon 270 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,480 and the Quarim Rescue Unit. 271 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,240 It was on the walk home, I apologize. 272 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,080 - Okay. 273 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,520 - Who totally different songs, like the back end of on the walk home 274 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,120 is where I really went, okay, I'm back in Boulder 275 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:09,840 and ingesting things I shouldn't be ingesting in those things. 276 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:10,680 (laughs) 277 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:11,520 - Right. 278 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,480 - So that's what I apologize, I'm a spoke. 279 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,040 But how do you, so are the three of you guys, 280 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,000 the Quarre of the band, or is it, 281 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,840 and you bring in the other five, or like, 282 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,880 what's the line up of the band? 283 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,760 - The Quarre would be me and Anthony originally, 284 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,760 and then we brought in my buddy, Chris, 285 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,080 who was playing bass for a lot of the original Herbervor stuff, 286 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,120 and then our buddy, Jake, who came in, 287 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:40,720 did a little bass and guitar. 288 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,920 The Quarre unit would be me, Matt, Anthony, Chris, 289 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,440 Heaven and Jake, and then Nick, of course, just managing it all. 290 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,640 Aside from that, we got older, we graduated college, 291 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,360 and then we're like, oh man, we're gonna be done playing music, 292 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:57,920 and then we all just ended up moving the Pittsburgh anyway, 293 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:58,760 where we were all just here. 294 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,320 So it was like, kind of just like an extended college stay, 295 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,160 you know what I mean? 296 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,080 'Cause we're just a bunch of 30-year-old dudes, 297 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,920 still in the same region, able to continue having fun. 298 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,320 However, some of us have just fallen off 299 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,680 because of life things, and it's not like they're out of the band, 300 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,440 but they don't have enough time to come practice and do things 301 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,120 that is consistently as I would like. 302 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:21,760 So then we just kind of searched outward for other good musicians 303 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,760 who could fit with us, and then, you know, 304 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,160 when we get like a bigger show or something, 305 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,480 we all just get together and say, well, yeah, let's do it. 306 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,600 And even the people that haven't been playing or practicing 307 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,640 with us, we invite them back too, 308 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,120 'cause there's always a place and sound that can be added 309 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,040 to make a pretty magical live experience. 310 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,680 - Yeah, and I'd like to, I think, 311 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,960 I pride ourselves on being able to show up 312 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,960 if it's just Matt and I, or Kevin and Matt, 313 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,040 or Matt and Sarah, or, I mean, there was one point, 314 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,000 it was, a Nervivore song was played, 315 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,240 while Matt was in California, it was me, Kevin, Chris, 316 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,720 playing Nervivore, and Kevin took the lead vocals. 317 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,120 So there's a band called "Bond the Music Industry" 318 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:06,800 that was really good at doing that, which Jeff Rosenstock, 319 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,880 back in the early 2000s, there was like 13 people in the band, 320 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,080 and some nights, Jeff himself would just show up, 321 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,800 or Jeff and a saxophone player, or Jeff in the drummer, 322 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,480 and I've always kind of wanted to emulate that within the band. 323 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,720 - Love that. 324 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,640 That's cool. 325 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,440 Yeah, I mean, it's kind of, it's, I mean, 326 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,440 it reminds me of Nashville a little bit, 327 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,880 just because like there's always a revolving cast of characters 328 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,200 behind whoever the artist is, right? 329 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,520 Like, I mean, you got in the road, 330 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,360 and you can have a completely different band 331 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:39,120 from one week to next. 332 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:43,560 But music, and I think this gets back to your earlier point, 333 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:47,600 Matt, and Anthony, about the vibe that you guys felt 334 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,000 that first day that you guys were jamming, 335 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,560 and once you find a good bunch of people, 336 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,880 it's not hard to find that vibe again 337 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,120 when you pick it back up, right? 338 00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:02,000 And I've often thought of, 339 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,600 and tell me if you disagree with this, 340 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,960 maybe I'm just old and nuts, but like, 341 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,800 when you have a friendship, somebody, 342 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,880 your friendship is at a certain level, 343 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,480 like, you know, let's say that friendship is at like four feet, 344 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,880 and then when you have a life partner, 345 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,480 or a family member, you know, it's probably at five feet, 346 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,400 but man, when you start playing in a band 347 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,400 and you start communicating with a completely different language. 348 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,960 That level of communication is up higher. 349 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,480 Do you guys agree with that? 350 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,360 - I would 100% agree with that. 351 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,200 The dynamic of a relationship is different, 352 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:46,000 and it's important to maintain, 353 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,760 to what you say, the four foot relationship, 354 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,280 but there's that added, again, to use your analogy, 355 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,840 that extra two feet that is sometimes hard to navigate, 356 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,360 so you're not only just getting together 357 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,880 with your buddies to watch the football game 358 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,640 and drink and beer when your wives let you, like, 359 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,440 no, this is something that it's important to me, 360 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,080 it's important to everybody that's a part of it, 361 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:12,080 and it's deeper and outlasts anything that comes up in life. 362 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,440 And sometimes things come up in life that, you know, 363 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,200 take precedence, however, it's important to remember 364 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,280 where you came from and maintain that friendship, 365 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,320 and ultimately the connection that you have artistically. 366 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,340 - Yeah. 367 00:21:28,340 --> 00:21:33,340 - Yeah, I can definitely communicate with the band members, 368 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:36,160 just as friends, better than my family anyway, 369 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,800 so then you add that extra, 370 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,400 you add that extra step of, you know, 371 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,800 that different language, that feel, 372 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,840 that, you know, it's, I don't envy people 373 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,840 who don't experience that kind of connection without talking. 374 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,520 - Right, and not that, like, people that aren't in bands 375 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,080 with their friends aren't less of friends. 376 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,680 That's not at all what we're saying, 377 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,160 and I don't think that's what you're saying either, but-- 378 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,920 - No, it's just friends. 379 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,600 - Yeah, yeah, it's, I consider myself lucky that, you know, 380 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,720 I could also just, any one of us is good enough musicians 381 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,160 to go out and try out for, you know, being a studio guitarist 382 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,880 or a studio drummer, and, you know, 383 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,400 but what I yearn and what I, 384 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000 and what I crave is that connection with your friends 385 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,440 when you're playing music. 386 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,880 It's really ultimately why we do it. 387 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,680 - Yeah, I mean, if you're not a musician, 388 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,320 if you're not in a band, it's so hard to understand it. 389 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,520 I remember I was on a golf course with my dad talking about, 390 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,840 hey, Kitty, what's up? 391 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,280 What's the cat's name, by the way? 392 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,280 - It's Venom. 393 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,480 - Venom, I love it. 394 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:36,520 What a beautiful name. 395 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,640 - He's a prince. 396 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,760 But I remember being on a golf course with my dad 397 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,440 having this conversation, my dad is old school, right? 398 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,080 He's like, you know, nothing's stronger than family, 399 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,080 family, family, family. 400 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,040 I'm like, no man, you ever played in a band? 401 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,200 - You know what? 402 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,560 - Yeah, why do you judge me all the time, dad? 403 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440 (laughs) 404 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,440 - And I love my dad. 405 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:56,880 He said, he's an absolute sweetheart. 406 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,040 I couldn't ask for a better father, but I couldn't add, 407 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,920 but it's like, how do I explain this to a guy, 408 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,880 just who has no, the guy could, I mean, 409 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,320 carry a tune in a bucket, but that's about it, right? 410 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,640 Like if you've never been in a band, you just don't, 411 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,760 you don't get it. 412 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,520 You don't get that vibe. 413 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,280 You don't understand that level of communication. 414 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,800 You know, and I think, and even for Nick, 415 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720 like, sometimes you play bass and, 416 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,040 and sometimes you run and sound, 417 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,680 but on those nights that you run and sound, 418 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,000 dude, you're part of the band too, you know? 419 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,400 - Yeah, and I am a band. 420 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,040 I'm pretty much running sound most of the time. 421 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,840 I had bassist rare occasion, but yeah, I mean, 422 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,440 when I stepped in, I didn't feel part of the band, 423 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 really, I was there to like, you know, capture stuff, 424 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,400 capture what was happening, 425 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040 and then as we just did more and more shows, you know, 426 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,400 it was, you know, it's clear. 427 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,400 Yeah, I'm part of the band. 428 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,200 I'm just playing a different part. 429 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,320 I'm making sure things sound good out in front of house 430 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,720 so that they sound the best they can 431 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,000 when we're in a live scenario. 432 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,160 I mean, I hear a bunch of bands that, you know, 433 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,240 could maybe sound a little bit better live. 434 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,560 And there's a lot of stuff going on in this band, 435 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,840 so like, I'm riding faders all the time. 436 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:07,680 - Yeah. 437 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,400 - Well, and also, I think, you know, 438 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,200 Nick's contributions to the band are pretty much priceless. 439 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,480 A lot of people just don't have somebody 440 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,120 who has the skillset, like Nick, 441 00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:25,120 I sure as fuck don't, to like actually make that sound 442 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,160 what we want, but also stick around for years 443 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,120 and years and years doing it, you know, like, 444 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:34,200 so we show up someplace and we have a whole sound system 445 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,040 with us too. 446 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,680 Like it catches people off guard sometimes, like, 447 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,480 oh, we're like, we show up to a venue 448 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,280 and Nick's like talking to the sound guy there 449 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,800 and he's like, I'm gonna do sound tonight 450 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,960 and the sound guy's like, oh, fuck yeah, 451 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,880 I get to sit back and just chill, you know? 452 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,880 (laughs) 453 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,720 Yeah. 454 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,400 - And we're kind of spoiled in that way, you know? 455 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,760 - I wish every band had that because, I mean, 456 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,760 it's just, it's invaluable to have a great FLH 457 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,600 who knows the set list, who knows the songs 458 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,600 and as a musician as well can jump in and ride the faders. 459 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,400 - Yeah, 100%. 460 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,200 - And even knows the inner workings of a show, you know? 461 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,640 Like we can just show up and Nick will understand 462 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,120 just very basic load-in time. 463 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:20,920 Like, you know, the importance of load-in 464 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,800 and the significance of a good sound check, you know? 465 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,640 That goes a long way for a band. 466 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,280 - Yeah. 467 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,160 Yeah, let's talk to me, let's dive into on the walk home 468 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 if we could please, just that single. 469 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,440 I wrote down one, two, three, four, five things about it 470 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,120 that I absolutely love and maybe you guys can dive into it. 471 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,800 Number one is the extensions, the cordial extensions 472 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,920 coming in off the electric. 473 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,520 Like, you know, playing the, playing the dominant cord 474 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,280 on the four, playing the 13 off the tonic. 475 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,680 Like, just beautiful shit, loved it. 476 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,280 I loved the rolling pattern on the acoustic, 477 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,360 the drone pattern, the drum pattern 478 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,800 and how it was mixed and produced 479 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,280 and I'm assuming Nick, that was you, the track, 480 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,600 the, who does, dude, nice job. 481 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:16,200 Lead vocals and Matt, did you lay that down? 482 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,720 Okay, the lead vocal was killer. 483 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,400 I love how the spoken context of it. 484 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,440 - Thank you. 485 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,880 - By the way, some of your other tracks, 486 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,560 some of your other tracks, I got a hint of Jeff Buckley 487 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,760 every now and then. 488 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,240 - I did that sometimes, yeah. 489 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,240 - Yeah, yeah. 490 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600 But not only did I love the lead vocal in the way it was delivered, 491 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840 but the dichotomy of having the female vocal 492 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,600 on the background was great. 493 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,560 - Yeah, because I sang that song so low, 494 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,720 I'm sure when Nick was recording it, 495 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,560 you know, everything was turned up just to like kind of hear it. 496 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,920 I like the feel of that as opposed to just, 497 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,000 I have, I consider the voice to be an instrument in itself. 498 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,160 So most of the stuff you hear, 499 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840 I might be singing a little bit differently on most tracks. 500 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,760 That one in particular, very low kind of, 501 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,120 I guess you'd call it grooming kind of vocals. 502 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,000 So it was just like, oh yeah. 503 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 So if we kind of just like grace those vocals 504 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,600 with a female counterpart, 505 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,800 but without harmonizing or anything, 506 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,200 like she's singing the same thing, 507 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800 it'll help that stand out a little bit more 508 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080 and kind of pierce through a little bit more. 509 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,240 Also the song being kind of a love song and whatnot, 510 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,480 it just helps the whole theme of that song too, right? 511 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,600 - Yeah, it just expands the whole palette of the whole track 512 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,360 when, you know, it's kind of like, 513 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,000 it's the old flu with Mac trick. 514 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,880 - Yeah, and then regards to like the, you know, 515 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,000 so my playing style is very full on the acoustic guitar. 516 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,440 I grew up trying to play acoustic instrumentals 517 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,440 where you kind of use the whole guitar as an instrument, right? 518 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,440 So when I bring ideas to the band, 519 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,400 it's like, okay, there's a lot going on with this acoustic guitar. 520 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,480 How can we still add to it without being too much? 521 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,600 Which the electric guitar you were talking about there is Chris, 522 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,120 he's really good at kind of hearing what I'm doing 523 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,360 and just adding that texture when it's right 524 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,600 to kind of really fill it out. 525 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:10,720 - Nice paint. 526 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,400 - Yeah, and I think to build on that with drums 527 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,960 alluding to what we initially talked about 528 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,960 when we first met, it was interesting to observe 529 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,520 Matt's guitar work because I was able to appoint 530 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,360 the mimic, the strumming because it is itself a rhythmic pattern 531 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,960 in a beat and I can follow that if I would like to, 532 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,440 which I tend to especially on that song 533 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240 and almost have a melodic feel with drums. 534 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,240 - Yeah. 535 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,240 - So that kind of adds an extra layer there of what Matt's doing. 536 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,800 - Where did you guys track it? 537 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280 - Yeah, that was up at my buddy's place, 538 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,800 Ron State College, Pennsylvania, he's got a nice little studio 539 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,720 at the top of his warehouse and we took a week 540 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,800 to record that album and it was nice 541 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,120 'cause he had a place where we could stay 542 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,720 and so we just woke up every day, went to the studio 543 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,800 and then came back and mixed and did some vocal stuff 544 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,760 and separate little house. 545 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,840 But we did all of album too in a week. 546 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,480 - Yeah, just kind of immersed ourselves in it, 547 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,120 like nothing else, you know? 548 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,000 - Is that like the best kind of work? 549 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,960 - Is that the new album coming up or are you talking 550 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,240 about one of the EPs, that's the new album? 551 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,200 - Yes. - Okay, cool. 552 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,200 So I put the studio, just talked to me, 553 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,360 what walked through some of the gear that you were using, 554 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,680 what we should do, what the favorite mics, 555 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,920 all that kind of nerdy shit. 556 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,600 - I mean, I was just tracking on it, I'm 32 557 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,520 'cause that's all I had. 558 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,200 I mean, my choice, I'm not too picky. 559 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,960 I come from the live world, so I get it up and get it going. 560 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:01,840 I can work with pretty much anything. 561 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,960 You know, I'll spend some time getting some stuff 562 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,200 mic'd up the way I want to. 563 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,640 But we tracked it all live, 564 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,360 so we were basically there getting drums and bass 565 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,760 and I think we dubbed guitars and most of everything else. 566 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,720 But I mean, we kept some of the actual live takes in there 567 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,120 for tracks, I think. 568 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,280 But yeah, I mean, just a standard mic locker. 569 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,960 There's nothing too crazy and special. 570 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,960 We did go to a little session in Milk Boy, the studio, 571 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,960 and that's when I got to have a lot of fun 572 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,240 with an SSL console on all the Outboard gear, 573 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,920 and we found all the good patch cables in the bad patch cables. 574 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,080 It just, the way it sounds feels different 575 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,800 than what I'm getting right now, 576 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,000 and all of our stuff in the future were going to make some changes there. 577 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,640 But we were just working with what we had 578 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,640 and we were just focused on trying to get the tracks in. 579 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,080 Well, it sounds great. 580 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,720 Yeah, it sounds great. 581 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,640 Nick, you were going to, or Anthony, I'm sorry, 582 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,280 you were going to say something? 583 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,800 No, I was just going to, again, 584 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,040 to add some context to the timeline. 585 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,920 The tracking of album too, 586 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:15,360 it took place how long after the tracking of album one, 587 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,600 not even about a year. 588 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Yeah, not very long. 589 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,040 So it would have been, we tracked the spring of 2016. 590 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,840 The first album came out 2017, 591 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,840 and then we tracked essentially this album to January of 2018. 592 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,040 Yep. 593 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,480 You track, the next record you tracked five years ago? 594 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Six years ago? 595 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000 Yeah. 596 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,360 That's true. 597 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,120 Okay, so then explain to me why you sat on it. 598 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,760 I mean, I know you had a five song release, 599 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,880 Live at Milncoy Studio in 2020, 600 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,440 and then yet another five song released in 2022, 601 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,440 can't take him out. 602 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,840 So why'd you sit on this record for five years? 603 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,080 The first pitch was me moving to California, 604 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,480 shortly after that for a little fellowship 605 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,160 for like the less important career that I want to pursue. 606 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,720 And then, so that kind of threw us off for a little bit. 607 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,960 So we were trying to do some things. 608 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,040 We actually released a single "Win's a Change" 609 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,080 while I was in California. 610 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,280 So we were trying to do some stuff, 611 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,280 but like, okay, let's just kind of wait on album too a little bit. 612 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,680 I came back close to 2020, 613 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,680 and I think what would just, a lot of us, 614 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,080 just going back and forth with how we were, 615 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,120 it just been a chaotic journey of this album. 616 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,280 Weird life, yeah. 617 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,760 I also took a long time to do so. 618 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,720 It happens, right? 619 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560 White happens, start careers. 620 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:46,560 And we have tried to plan to release it at certain points, 621 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,600 and then keep wanting to make some changes, 622 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,800 and we hear some different things. 623 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600 And also, just going through code and everything, 624 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,240 I'm kind of glad we have content to sit on 625 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,080 and now that we're feeling ready to finally push it out. 626 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,960 We don't have to worry as much, 627 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,960 'cause even some of the previous EPs, 628 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 it was still, I have the album to work on, 629 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,960 but then, okay, let's work on this now. 630 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880 So it's gonna be time spent on that. 631 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,560 And we kind of rush those two to get them out and release them. 632 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,360 So, we feel a little bit more comfortable with album two 633 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,720 to release it and give it the time it deserves. 634 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,720 And it's, we're excited to finally push it out 635 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,760 and we're excited to stop running the tracks back again 636 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,600 and again. 637 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,600 - Yeah, how much reworking and re-reporting and remixing 638 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,040 did you do? 639 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880 - I mean, not a ton of recording. 640 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,120 It's mainly stuff with the mix and I'll work on stuff 641 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,760 for maybe one day on a weekend 642 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,040 and then I won't touch things for another two weeks. 643 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,880 - Yeah. 644 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,080 - You know, stuff gets in the way, but. 645 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,960 - But it was also like, you know, 646 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,680 we've gotten better at recording. 647 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,440 Like, we're already working on future songs 648 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,080 and they're already kind of, you know, subjectively sounding 649 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,840 even a little better than that. 650 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,720 So it's like, now that we have stuff to compare it to 651 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680 that we know we can do, we go back, listen to them too. 652 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,440 We're like, oh shit, we could probably change this a little bit 653 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:11,840 now and make this sound better. 654 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,480 So like, again, it's like, I assume most musicians experience 655 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,560 this where they, it's, there comes a point where it's just like, 656 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560 okay, it is what it is we need to release it 657 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,160 and stop dwelling on it. 658 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,040 But from a live standpoint, sitting on all this album, 659 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,440 or sitting on the sound for so long, 660 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,200 it's actually given us time to build up a presence 661 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,160 and it's actually some notoriety around the city 662 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,280 and stuff like that. 663 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,280 And like, I don't know if we wanted 664 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,520 to release it five years ago when no one really knew about us, 665 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,360 right? 666 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,320 'Cause then, you know, so now it's like, okay, 667 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600 we're actually gaining some traction 668 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,480 and now we have a whole album to release. 669 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,160 So in a way, it kind of works in that, in our favor, I think. 670 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,360 - That's a good point. 671 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,360 I mean, because you had 12 songs on the college years, right? 672 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,560 And then if you're gonna drop another 12 songs, 673 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,800 following year, you know, you're starting 674 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,160 an interesting precedent. 675 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,400 It's like, well, shit, we're gonna put it on a record every year. 676 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,640 - Yeah, we're not poor to the man or anything like that. 677 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,880 (laughing) 678 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,880 And I think it adds to the whole essence of the band itself, 679 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,880 because the intent was to record the college years 680 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,880 because we wanted to record the songs 681 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920 so we can go back and listen to them 682 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,680 when we're all off in Hawaii, in Russia, 683 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440 in China doing our own separate things. 684 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,440 Obviously that didn't happen. 685 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,440 So now we're here, figuring out where to go next, you know? 686 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000 - And also, one last comment on this, 687 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,240 because when we first recorded album too, 688 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:51,400 it was much like the college years 689 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,520 where we kind of just got together 690 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,280 and we laid down what we knew. 691 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 But then we played those songs live together 692 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,720 for the next several years. 693 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,720 And they were like, oh, this sounds so much better. 694 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:03,960 So we even went back and made changes 695 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,240 based on actually playing it live. 696 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,920 - Right, so I think it's helped us a lot in that regard. 697 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,960 - Well, the other big thing too is, you know, 698 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,520 Matt, your voice, I mean, your voice changed. 699 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,280 - It's gotten better, yeah. 700 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,600 - You know, I mean, you get older and you get older 701 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400 and you get a couple of more notes 702 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,240 and you get a couple more buckets of gravel in your throat. 703 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,080 You know, I mean, your voice just changes over time, right? 704 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,160 - Yeah, and like, I mean, there's old videos, 705 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,160 like 13, 14 years old on YouTube, I'm listening to them. 706 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,080 I'm like, man, I sucked, it's singing. 707 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,800 But it's truly something that if you do it all the time, 708 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,600 you really learn how to fine tune your larynx, you know? 709 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,480 - It's possible. 710 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,320 - Yeah, exactly. 711 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,000 So like, yeah, it's definitely gotten better 712 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,960 and I think you'll even hear more development 713 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,080 in the vocal field after album too. 714 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,160 - Okay. 715 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,000 Well, talk to me a little bit about the local following. 716 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,600 I mean, I see you guys doing some local gigs, 717 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,720 you were playing some festivals, 718 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,080 the summer you do some house parties. 719 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,280 Like, what are your local shows like? 720 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,680 - So, yeah, we had a decent summer 721 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,080 with some of the local festivals, Millville Festival 722 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,720 is always a great one and we really appreciate 723 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,040 the festival and the community that they bring together. 724 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,880 All the arts come together on a weekend 725 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,160 and from Millville to the local breweries. 726 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,880 There's just, we have a solid group of friends 727 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,840 that would come out, but then we have an additional, 728 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,720 you know, five people that will come with our friends 729 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:47,160 and then that five turns into 10 730 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,080 and that 10 may turn into 20. 731 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,760 And, you know, we are in extracurriculars as well. 732 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600 You know, we'll go to the climbing gym 733 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,160 so we've made friends through there. 734 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,640 Obviously, co-workers and other bands that obviously, 735 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,280 we play with that always support each other. 736 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,560 Pittsburgh is a very interesting place right now 737 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,040 with the local music scene. 738 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,080 There's some national attention on some bands 739 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,000 and there's a lot here to offer in terms of 740 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,360 the type of music that's being played. 741 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,880 - Yeah, and, you know, we didn't, we kind of always just, 742 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,920 I think that's maybe the reason why we keep doing this stuff 743 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,280 is because we constantly are just checking off 744 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,160 like little milestones, you know, like guitar here 745 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,440 or something where eventually you're playing on that big stage. 746 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,160 You know, like, it's like, oh, we want to go to Pittsburgh 747 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,520 and play here and then we did it. 748 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,880 You know, oh, now we want to, you know, play it this more, 749 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,040 like this more known venue and we did it. 750 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,280 It's like, oh, we want to get on festival 751 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,520 and then we did it and then we went ahead 752 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,680 line the festival and then we did it. 753 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,920 And it's just like, we kept hitting these little milestones. 754 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,040 So, and then, you know, and once we got more followers that way, 755 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,920 it's like, okay, well, let's throw some bangin' house shows, 756 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,600 you know, just to have fun. 757 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,320 So we, we, we throw some pretty good parties up here too. 758 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,680 Again, most of that is because Nick has like $10,000 759 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,840 with the lights in the basement, you know, 760 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,440 it's a pretty good experience. 761 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,600 - Yeah, we, we, we, we can have a good time. 762 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,440 - Yeah, yeah. 763 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,000 - Nick's got a good side job as what you said. 764 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,000 - Mm-hmm. 765 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,320 - Lucrative, it's not bad. 766 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,320 (laughing) 767 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,920 - I mean, we have a big shit, but. 768 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,360 - Well, is the goal, you know, for some bands, 769 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,120 you know, they're like, hey, we just wanna play regionally 770 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,400 and just, you know, we're just gonna release music 771 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,360 and we don't really care about getting a deal and getting major 772 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,920 and other bands are like, nah, nah, we're in it for the long haul. 773 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,520 We, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna try 774 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,040 and play three River Stadium. 775 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,280 Like, what's the goal for you guys? 776 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,800 What's the long term goal? 777 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,720 - Well, I think to kind of what Matt just said, 778 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:47,320 we kept taking off the milestones. 779 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,320 The goal was to, was to record songs that were created 780 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,120 by the quote, core of the band in college. 781 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,400 And then we did it. 782 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,640 That's a good question. 783 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,640 And I think it's worth, it's kind of worth talking about here now. 784 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,480 What is the goal? 785 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:08,320 - Uh-oh. 786 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,400 Did I start an argument? 787 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,640 - I think our goal is to travel outside, 788 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,440 stay a little bit, play some shows. 789 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,040 We'd love to get an opening act with someone who has some 790 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,800 cloud or like a draw, you know, all that classic band shit. 791 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,440 I, we would love to get on some bigger festivals 792 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,320 or even smaller festivals, you know, just like, 793 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,080 we're kind of at the point now where it's like, 794 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,760 we've been doing this for so long 795 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,600 and we're finally starting to get a little bit of recognition 796 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,040 but it's still even not that much. 797 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,320 So it's like, we're trying to figure out ways to expand 798 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,560 and to have different ears here our stuff. 799 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600 So that maybe just somebody who has any kind of pool 800 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,320 can be like, hey, well, I heard these guys 801 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000 and just give us a recommendation, you know? 802 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,520 So I think that's more or less the goal is real. 803 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,240 Like I wanna keep going with it. 804 00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:58,480 There's some people in our band who are pretty content 805 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,040 with not pursuing it much further 806 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,920 but me and Anthony are still, you know, 807 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,960 driving towards that goal pretty hard 808 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,200 and Nick is too for sure. 809 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,600 - Yeah, I'm there and it's a thing that's like, 810 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,320 we get offers to play some shows and it's like, okay, 811 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,840 do we wanna do that again or are we gonna save our time 812 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,600 for, you know, an opportunity that makes a little bit more 813 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,440 sense for everyone to come out to? 814 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,760 - Which is cool because before we've never, 815 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,560 you know, we would take any show at all, you know? 816 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,480 It's just like, yeah, of course, we gotta get out there, 817 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,320 we're gonna play it. 818 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,640 But we're to the point now, it's like, well, 819 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,040 we don't really need to do that show. 820 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,640 It might not really benefit us, 821 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,800 which is kind of cool to have that option. 822 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,560 - And I mean, to everyone, what everyone's saying here, 823 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,320 but what is the goal of bands now in 2023 824 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,360 as a working class band, as a band that goes to work every day? 825 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,720 Sonic Youth did it until they had their reunion show. 826 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,160 Like, what was their goal? 827 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,920 You know, I don't know what the goal is. 828 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,280 All I know is is that I enjoy playing music 829 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,280 and if I can continue to have these connections 830 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,280 with people that we play music in front of 831 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,080 in other states and other countries, 832 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,800 then I will do anything I can to do that. 833 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,280 - That's a great, it's a great approach. 834 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,600 - Yeah, I really think too. 835 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,800 It's like, you know, so people get turned off 836 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:23,000 when music becomes like a little business, 837 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,800 but I think we actually get pretty stoked on that. 838 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,960 It's cool to actually allocate your mental energy 839 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,640 to something that you really wanna do 840 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,320 and maybe profit off it a little bit at the same time, right? 841 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,280 But that was never the goal, but at the same time, 842 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,280 it's like, you know, we've had some riffs in the band, 843 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,840 it's like, oh, this doesn't feel like we're friends anymore. 844 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,160 It's getting like too serious 845 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,640 and it's like, okay, we gotta take a step back 846 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,760 and you know, accommodate everybody's needs. 847 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,840 But I want to get to the point where music feels kind of 848 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,360 like a business. 849 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,480 It's not gonna make any less fun for me. 850 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,000 - You have to treat it like a business. 851 00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,000 I had a podcast the other day with two guys 852 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,360 that are deep into the Bitcoin world 853 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560 and they're both, they both, I mean Bitcoin is their day job. 854 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,440 Let's put it that way. 855 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,960 And they're both musicians on the side 856 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,920 and we talked about, you know, 857 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,680 bringing musicians into the space 858 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,720 and we were just kind of riffing on the idea 859 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,520 that a lot of musicians forget that it's still a business. 860 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,080 And that's, you know, it's all great that we love doing, 861 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,520 you know, touchy-feely songs and art 862 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,280 and pushing the ball forward for humanity, you know, 863 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,560 I mean, if there's more art in the world, 864 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,840 to me, there's more art, there's more love 865 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,760 and there's less war. 866 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,440 I mean, you know, there's less shit, you know? 867 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,440 - Amen, really? 868 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,960 - Yeah, but you know, it's still a business 869 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,360 and you know, you're up against people 870 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,680 who are far less talented than you 871 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,440 who for whatever reason got a lucky break, you know? 872 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,120 Or, you know, they're far less talented than you 873 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,360 and their uncle's like, yeah, I'll give you $100,000 874 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,320 to pimp that thing on TikTok, you know? 875 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,680 - Yeah, so that's the thing we're looking for 876 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,680 is really that lucky break, right? 877 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,760 Let's like, I don't think skill alone is gonna do it. 878 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:07,760 We need a little bit more. 879 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:08,800 - Work ethic. 880 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,440 - Work ethic, being at the right place 881 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,560 at the right time, doing the right thing at the right time. 882 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,160 Andy Warhol, Andy Warhol, one of the greatest contemporary artists, 883 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680 modern artists of the 20th century, 884 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920 viewed his work, viewed his art as a business 885 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560 and you look at his earlier illustrations, 886 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:30,560 they were clear, clearly human, great, great pieces of work 887 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,640 and then it became what is known to be pop art 888 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,240 and he was pushing the limits to what it was 889 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,800 to make art at the time and he viewed it all as, 890 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,320 I got to show up, I got to continue to do the work, 891 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,760 I'm at the factory, I don't care if people are here, 892 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,560 you know, on drugs or drinking, you're here to do the work 893 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,920 and you are here to make a product. 894 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,800 - Yeah. 895 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,640 - You know, definitely not in the basement. 896 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,880 - Well, I think, and I think 897 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,040 that there has never been a better time to be 898 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,160 an independent musician than now. 899 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:13,160 And part of what you're doing is part of the reason why I'm so excited 900 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,760 and it's the reason, and it's how I found you 901 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,840 and that's wayblake and bitcoin and I know you guys are just, 902 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,320 you know, you're pretty new to it. 903 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,840 You know, you got about 16,000 sats in there 904 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,480 but you've over on wayblake but I see you guys getting some spins 905 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,160 on my show and Adam Curry show and some other people. 906 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,400 How did you guys, and just so you know like where I come from, 907 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,440 I don't know if you heard any of the previous shows, 908 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,240 but I was in LA from '95 to '03, 909 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,200 I did the singer songwriter thing. 910 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,560 I spent four years on the road as a musician 911 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,560 and I still play for fun around town, around Nashville. 912 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,040 It's not my day job anymore, but I still adore the industry, 913 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,440 of course, and just got into a hard pour again 914 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,160 because of what I see going on with bitcoin and wayblake 915 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,480 and things like that. 916 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,720 How did you guys come across wayblake? 917 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,000 Oh yeah, you all look like me. 918 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000 - You sound like I'm like, yeah. 919 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,320 - Yeah, I mean, I've listened to No Jenna and I heard Adam 920 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,160 very talk about it and I looked at it, 921 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,760 I don't know, months and months back, 922 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,440 but didn't do anything with it and then I think it was like, 923 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,200 may or so, I'm like, okay, let me create an account here, 924 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,560 let me sign up and let's just post something. 925 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,040 I mean, I saw it as a way to get to new ears. 926 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,040 Get out of our Spotify and Apple Music crowd already 927 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,040 and try to just branch out. 928 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,760 I mean, there was no downside that I saw. 929 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,880 And if anything, we're getting paid directly 930 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,800 with something that has gone up in value 931 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,280 since we started posting music. 932 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,120 And we've been discussing about releasing more stuff on there. 933 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,520 I've got hours and hours of stuff recorded 934 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,240 from practices, live sets. 935 00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,000 I mean, if we're going out and playing, 936 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,040 I'm typically tracking it. 937 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,120 And so we're having discussions about, 938 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,760 what else could we post here? 939 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,240 'Cause it's like, we can kind of post anything. 940 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,160 And you tell me what? 941 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,440 And it's, I don't know, it's a nice refreshing new space. 942 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680 It's nice that there's a community around it too. 943 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,800 And you can support each other. 944 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,320 You can boost one another. 945 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,040 And I mean, we don't really see a downside to it. 946 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,840 - Now, there is no, at the stands right now. 947 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,440 - Yeah, there is no downside to it. 948 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,360 I mean, the only, I've been talking to a lot of musicians 949 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,320 about bringing the men and the biggest thing I run into 950 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,240 is that they don't know anything about Bitcoin. 951 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:52,840 But I cannot think of a literal downside to it. 952 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,200 I mean, maybe somebody would say, 953 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,960 well, you know, what if I, 954 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,320 what if I post my music in there 955 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,000 and I make some Bitcoin and then Bitcoin crashes? 956 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,880 I long fucking shot that it's gonna crash. 957 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,080 - That's just going up. 958 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,920 - Yeah, number one. 959 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,440 Number two, okay, my standard response to that is, 960 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440 okay, how much did you make on Spotify last year? 961 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,680 - Right, yep. 962 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,600 And we've seen just in the streams on the major platforms, 963 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,280 an increase since we started posting on WAPE Lake. 964 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,800 You know, some people I think probably go there 965 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,480 to find new music, find new artists 966 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,680 and then they're rolling back to their original, 967 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,440 daily app every once in a while. 968 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,600 And that's totally fine. 969 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,480 I mean, we're looking for years 970 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,720 and we're definitely seeing them come in. 971 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,800 - Yeah, and as a fan of Bandcamp, 972 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,440 through the good times and the bad times, 973 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,840 I was wondering at first, 974 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,000 what's the difference of someone giving me a dollar 975 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,720 on Bandcamp if they like my song? 976 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,120 But what I've noticed in a little bit of time 977 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,960 and the little bit of discussion that I've had with Nick 978 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,560 on this platform is the community. 979 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:01,760 Like you said, that's around it. 980 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,800 In the fact that you are willing to sit here 981 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,680 and interview us because you liked our music. 982 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,240 That's, I think, that's the main point. 983 00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:13,800 And also, it's cool to just get the instant to feedback 984 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,000 that it provides. 985 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,560 Like we can see Sats coming in and we can get comments. 986 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,280 So that stuff doesn't happen on Spotify or Apple Music. 987 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,640 Like we don't, we don't feel as validated 988 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,680 on those platforms because we don't, 989 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,480 we might check how many listens we got 990 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,480 once a month or whatever, 991 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,800 but that doesn't like, you know, 992 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,920 it's not personalized kind of like wave-like is, you know? 993 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,720 - Yeah, and that can be a, 994 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,440 like that can be a depressing thing too. 995 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,920 You know, you can, ooh, let me log into my Spotify account 996 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,000 and see how many stairs. 997 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:42,840 - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 998 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,360 - Yeah, you know. 999 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,800 Are you guys, are you guys on Noster at all? 1000 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,240 Or are you in that world? 1001 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:54,480 - We are not. 1002 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,920 - You might, you might want to look into that just as a, 1003 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,920 as a way to kind of accentuate the experience. 1004 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,880 Notes and other strings, trans-remined on relays, right? 1005 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,560 It's all open source. 1006 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,880 It works on, you know, iOS and Android. 1007 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,960 It's completely censorship free. 1008 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,080 So there's a whole community of Noster developers. 1009 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,560 These guys and gals are just hardcore, 1010 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,960 Bitcoiners, hardcore open source, hardcore anti-sensorship. 1011 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,400 And right now what you're gonna find is you're gonna find 1012 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,000 a lot of devs that you're gonna find a lot of developers. 1013 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,400 And there's not a lot of artists in that space. 1014 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,840 So, you know, for you guys to find a client, quote unquote, 1015 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,320 you know, something on your phone that works best for you. 1016 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,880 Like I'm on Android, I use Amethyst if you're on iOS, 1017 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,760 probably Domus. 1018 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,600 But maybe open up an account, you know, 1019 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,720 herbivore account there and start talking about, 1020 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:01,640 you know, and start following people and making friends 1021 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,400 and start pushing your music out there. 1022 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,640 And you might find that it helps to grow the community. 1023 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,560 - No, that's, that's definitely appreciated. 1024 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,760 And if I may ask a question. 1025 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,840 You know, you said that you did some time in LA 1026 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,000 and actually I did time in Santa Barbara, 1027 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,600 but that was only 24 hours. 1028 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,920 - And that was, I mean, that seemed to be an interesting time. 1029 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,920 That was the time I, it seems that the record industry 1030 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,080 was really scrambling because they knew what was, 1031 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:30,880 what was up, what was upcoming. 1032 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,040 You'd mentioned that it's a good time 1033 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,200 to be an independent artist right now. 1034 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,520 That's why you got into the game 1035 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,720 and that's why you're doing what you're doing. 1036 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:42,360 What do you see the music industry, 1037 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,160 you know, how do you see the music industry playing out 1038 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,440 for not only independent artists, 1039 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,200 but for established artists right now? 1040 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:53,440 - Oh, that's a great question. 1041 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,560 - Get to edit out all this dead air now. 1042 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,680 - No, man, it's good, it's good shit. 1043 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:58,680 I love all of it. 1044 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,840 I'm excited for independent art, 1045 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,640 and if I get off track to stop me, 1046 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,760 'cause I'll, 'cause you ask my wife, 1047 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:06,760 I'll talk for two hours. 1048 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,360 I'm excited for independent artists more, 1049 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,800 more so than I have been before. 1050 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,400 Because of the marketing possibilities 1051 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,920 that you have at your fingertips for social media, 1052 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,680 and I know social media sucks. 1053 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,240 I know you're not content creators. 1054 00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:24,400 I know the last thing you wanna do 1055 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:25,920 is go out and do TikToks all day. 1056 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,280 I know that, I know that. 1057 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,640 But you can figure it out yourself 1058 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,360 and you don't need to pay anybody to do it. 1059 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:34,200 That's number one. 1060 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,240 Number two, as you guys have proven, 1061 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,120 and as you can see here, and at home, 1062 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,400 you don't need to go to a kick ass studio anymore. 1063 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,400 You can do all this stuff yourself, right? 1064 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,720 I was in LA when that transition happened 1065 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,840 from tape to hard drives. 1066 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,680 Like, going from hanging out at Capitol in Oceanway, 1067 00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,520 and sound on sound and all these places, 1068 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,960 and then watching all these studios fall apart 1069 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,040 because everybody starts doing it at home, it's fascinating. 1070 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,120 So the cost of operating for you guys, 1071 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,680 but these independent artists today is a lot lower 1072 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,080 than it's ever been. 1073 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,600 You have more competition than you've ever had, 1074 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,520 unfortunately, that's just a nature of the beast. 1075 00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,480 On one of the podcasts I talk about how hard it is, 1076 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,320 because there's a lot of really shitty musicians out there 1077 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,160 that are getting a lot of spins, 1078 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,520 and the general public does not know the difference 1079 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,600 between somebody who is as good, and fluent, 1080 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,120 and perfect in the industry as Taylor Swift, 1081 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:43,120 and somebody who just sucks, and like, you're Aunt Karen, 1082 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,440 who, I remember that. 1083 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,560 Yeah, you're Aunt Karen, 1084 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,200 thinks that the gal who sings at the church is fantastic, 1085 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,720 and the gal who sings at the church is awful, 1086 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,720 and but your Aunt Karen can't tell the difference 1087 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,240 between her and Taylor Swift, right? 1088 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:04,240 So you have more competition, but you have more avenues 1089 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:07,080 of revenues than you've ever had before. 1090 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,600 You have less gatekeepers than you've ever had before. 1091 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,240 Well, I was coming up, if we wanted to get on the radio, 1092 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,240 or if we wanted to get a deal, 1093 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,960 it all ran through the major labels, 1094 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:25,000 and pay to play gigs at the whiskey and the rock scene, 1095 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,520 and all that shit, and yet you guys don't have that, 1096 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,760 you don't have to do it, do it that shit anymore. 1097 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,640 And then, oh, now here comes Bitcoin, right? 1098 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,440 And you've got artists out there like Joe Martin, 1099 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,960 who are doing really well in the space, 1100 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,000 even in Ainslickestown doing really well in this space, 1101 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,480 where you're like, man, if they really started pushing it, 1102 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,080 like they could be doing a thousand bucks a month, 1103 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,280 even more, you know? 1104 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,840 And this is just at the beginning of it, 1105 00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,880 of having that direct relationship 1106 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,880 between the artist and the listener, 1107 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,200 and as you guys alluded to, 1108 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,760 like when you see the stats coming in 1109 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,800 and you see the comments coming in, right away, 1110 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,800 that's really powerful, really powerful. 1111 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,960 Well, you've got more competition than you've ever had, 1112 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,000 but you have more tools that you're disposal 1113 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,560 than you've ever had, and it's easier to report 1114 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,880 than it's ever been. 1115 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,560 And the new keyboards that are coming out, 1116 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,680 the new beats and all of this technology 1117 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,360 that you can use at your disposal, 1118 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,360 like you are bound and held back by nothing. 1119 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,440 You know, the only thing that holds you back 1120 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,120 is the amount of shitty competition out there. 1121 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,800 That's it, but you can outsmart them 1122 00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,080 if you need to work ethic. 1123 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,520 - And yet, right, and I would even want to up you on that, 1124 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,840 it's the shitty content that's out there, 1125 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,280 but that's also being propped up 1126 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,240 by manipulating the algorithm. 1127 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,080 - Oh, yeah. 1128 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,480 - And that's what I think the real frustration is 1129 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:57,760 is because back when my cousin was playing Pittsburgh in 1988, 1130 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,160 all he wanted to do was get her in the zine 1131 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,360 and then go to New York and then have the label sign us. 1132 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,560 Well, now it's just having the manipulating the algorithm 1133 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,240 to get you on a playlist on Spotify, 1134 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,640 to get the label to sign you. 1135 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,840 And it's just like, what's the same shit? 1136 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:16,800 - Somebody is gonna break through on this. 1137 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,360 You guys, Joe Martin, just loud, 1138 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,640 somebody is gonna break through on this space. 1139 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,080 And this is what I think is gonna happen. 1140 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,160 And I talked about it in the last podcast with Sean and Bobby. 1141 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,280 You guys are gonna get to a point 1142 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,680 where you're making so much money off of Bitcoin 1143 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,960 and off of regular streams and everything like that 1144 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,440 that a major label is gonna come to you 1145 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,960 and you're gonna be like, why do we need you? 1146 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,440 Why do we need you? 1147 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,200 What the fuck am I gonna pay you guys for? 1148 00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,120 You're gonna be 40% for what? 1149 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:45,960 For what? 1150 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,720 I can go out and I can underwrite my own tour. 1151 00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,200 I can put my music in RSS feeds and get them directly 1152 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,680 to the people who wants to hear it. 1153 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,440 And you guys are not gonna put your hand in my wallet. 1154 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,640 Somebody is gonna break through on this space 1155 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,400 and it's gonna completely cut out the major labels. 1156 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,000 And the major label is gonna be going, 1157 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,640 "Uh, yep, well, what the hell do we, 1158 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,400 what can we offer these guys?" 1159 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,240 - You're right. 1160 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:12,800 And I think it's harder to do that now, 1161 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,360 but because of this platform, 1162 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,440 we have an avenue to do that because in the past, 1163 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,320 that's already been done. 1164 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,480 This court records said, "F you to the labels, 1165 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,200 we're going to keep putting out our own records 1166 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,160 because it costs us two dollars to put us out in the basement 1167 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:26,000 and we're gonna continue." 1168 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,880 And Fugazi puts out millions of albums 1169 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,480 and sells repeater off the shelves 1170 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,400 and they did it by themselves. 1171 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,440 The independent labels were doing that. 1172 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,840 NWA was selling records out of their truck of their car 1173 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,200 and they went platinum because eventually the labels realized, 1174 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,400 we need to latch onto this milk cow, 1175 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,280 but it's harder to do that now. 1176 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,080 I can't go out in Pittsburgh and sell, 1177 00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,040 Erbubor out on his truck of my car because like you said, 1178 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,040 the market is so saturated with good and shitty content. 1179 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,760 - Yeah, well, I think that the labels are realizing that, 1180 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,400 that, I don't know if the, well, 1181 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,080 I shouldn't say that they're realizing their days are numbered. 1182 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:05,920 That's not true. 1183 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,400 I think the labels are probably scared of what's going on 1184 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,840 because for the, you know, 1185 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,640 they're starting to see a backlash 1186 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:15,480 and they're starting to, 1187 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,360 and the public is starting to figure out 1188 00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,760 that these guys are paying on the back end 1189 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,080 to manipulate playlists, right? 1190 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,600 And this, another interesting thing I saw this year, 1191 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,640 you know, a couple weeks ago when everybody started putting out, 1192 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,920 "Here's my Spotify year, I had 300,000 streams 1193 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,240 and like Argentina with my favorite country." 1194 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,080 - Right. 1195 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,200 - Like, this was the first year where I saw a lot of artists going, 1196 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,360 why the fuck am I celebrating 200,000 spins 1197 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,400 when I didn't get paid? 1198 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,800 Why are we, and as Joe Martin said when I interviewed him, 1199 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,840 why am I paying you to rip me off? 1200 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,640 I'm in paraphrasing what Joe said, 1201 00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,320 but, you know, you're paying money to earn nothing. 1202 00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,160 - Yeah. 1203 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,320 - You're paying money for the privilege of being ripped off. 1204 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:04,880 I can't remember exactly what Joe said, 1205 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,360 but I think that the labels and the streaming companies, 1206 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,280 I think they see the writing on the wall 1207 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,440 and they're not going to be able to stop what can 1208 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,920 and will happen with Bitcoin 1209 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,840 or even with Ethereum and NFT use to a certain extent. 1210 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,000 And I'm not saying this is gonna happen in 2024. 1211 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:30,000 It might take a couple of years, but it's gonna get decentralized. 1212 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,240 You're gonna start seeing artists, 1213 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,720 you're already seeing hip-hop artists 1214 00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,520 and a lot of people earn really good money, 1215 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,520 completely outside of the major labels. 1216 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,120 And many respects completely outside of Spotify. 1217 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,360 - I think a lot of it is analogous to a lot. 1218 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,120 Why did we pay to play at certain venues back in the day? 1219 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:53,960 - Yeah. 1220 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,720 - It's like, well, the musician inherently just wants to get 1221 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,520 more people to listen to it. 1222 01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:06,920 So I think, well, why am I paying you to rip me off? 1223 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,400 Why did I do that before? 1224 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,560 Even if there's five people at the bar, 1225 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,560 there's five more people that listen to my music. 1226 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,000 But again, that's when you start, 1227 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000 you cross that line between, 1228 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,520 are you just doing it for fun? 1229 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,880 Or are you trying to actually make it a business? 1230 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,880 And I think there is a threshold that's crossed eventually 1231 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,080 with a band when you realize, 1232 01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,840 okay, we shouldn't be paying to get ripped off anymore. 1233 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,000 These five people hearing it doesn't matter. 1234 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,960 We actually need to start making money on this. 1235 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,560 - Yeah, Anthony, did I answer your question? 1236 01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,880 - You did and you made me think of more questions, 1237 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,080 but that was, I appreciate that. 1238 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,920 Because I ultimately think independent music 1239 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,840 has had many battles with major labels. 1240 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,960 And at points, independent music has won. 1241 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:57,560 But I think now independent music has, 1242 01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,560 for lack of a better term, more ammo on our side, 1243 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:03,400 more than ever. 1244 01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,800 And like you said, I think the labels are scared. 1245 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,960 I mean, I just had this epiphany of the other day. 1246 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,400 I'm like, lime wire was huge when I was younger 1247 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,200 and everyone illegally downloaded music. 1248 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,360 And they knew it. 1249 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,600 So they capitulated and they just created Spotify. 1250 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,080 You know what I mean? 1251 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,400 They just took advantage of it 1252 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,160 and they understood that they couldn't stop that wave. 1253 01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,760 - Yeah. - And they're both green. 1254 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,240 - That's my picture. 1255 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,560 - Yeah, just to summarize, 1256 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,760 like there's more competition, I know that, 1257 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,440 but there's more opportunity. 1258 01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,520 And with what I'm seeing artists 1259 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,640 are starting to get paid in the Bitcoin space. 1260 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,960 Like if they start promoting it hard in the Bitcoin space, 1261 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,200 it's gonna pop. 1262 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,880 You know, next week, there's a couple of shows up in Minneapolis 1263 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,400 that are gonna be live streamed over RSS 1264 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,160 and Noster at the same time. 1265 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,560 And they're gonna be Bitcoin enabled, Lightning enabled. 1266 01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,320 You know? 1267 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,960 So people can like, you know, like you guys can do this too. 1268 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,960 Like on your next show, tie it into a live stream, right? 1269 01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,520 And Nick reached out to me. 1270 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,760 I can point you in the right direction 1271 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:15,600 that people to talk to, 1272 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,360 but you guys could do a live stream of your next gig 1273 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,680 and have a go over Noster and have a go over RSS. 1274 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,040 And you guys can be making Bitcoin 1275 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,280 while people are watching you in fucking Malaysia. 1276 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:26,440 - Yeah. 1277 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,720 - I mean, the next show is OutRelease Show. 1278 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,080 So, I mean, there you go. 1279 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,080 - Do it. - Yeah. 1280 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:32,920 - You gotta do it. 1281 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,360 - And like you said, creative community 1282 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,680 with all of the people on this platform. 1283 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,200 And eventually, hopefully one day saying, 1284 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:40,720 hey, you know, we're coming through Nashville, 1285 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,160 which I was in Nashville recently. 1286 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,400 I was at the Cobra. 1287 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,320 I don't know if you ever, you know about the Cobra lounge. 1288 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:48,560 It was an easy come here. 1289 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,560 My other band played there. 1290 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:50,520 It was pretty cool. 1291 01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,720 But just coming through town and saying, 1292 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,440 you know, we met on this platform 1293 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,720 and we're in it for the same reasons. 1294 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,280 I think that, I could see this, you know, getting to that point 1295 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,960 where you start making connections, you know, 1296 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,240 to go touring all across country. 1297 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,040 - Yeah, the other thing I would bring up there 1298 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:17,040 is what you're talking about there is a thousand true fans 1299 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,160 Anthony. 1300 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,920 That's like, if you go to that, I don't know if you've been 1301 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,800 to that website, but all it talks about, 1302 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,040 and the website looks like it was designed like in 2008, 1303 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,680 like nobody's touched it. 1304 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,280 But it's a great mindset. 1305 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,560 It's very similar to value for value. 1306 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,480 And the idea is you really only need a thousand true fans. 1307 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,040 If you got a thousand true fans that are dropping like 1308 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:44,040 a hundred bucks each on you for the year, 1309 01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,720 dude, that's a hundred grand. 1310 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,600 That's a good living, you know, now granted. 1311 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,080 You got eight people in the band. 1312 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,080 You guys might need to be making more, right? 1313 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,040 But-- - Matt Les. 1314 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,760 - You know, you don't need-- 1315 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,000 - Paylor Swift size audiences, or even Jason Aldin size audiences 1316 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,840 to have a good living. 1317 01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,240 If you guys are able to through Bitcoin 1318 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,840 and through social media and through live streaming 1319 01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:14,120 and everything like that, if you guys can get like a thousand, 1320 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,000 two thousand people a year that are kicking in between a hundred 1321 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,760 and you know, they're kicking around a hundred bucks each. 1322 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,000 - Yep. 1323 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,720 - Dude, quit your day job, go tour. 1324 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,440 - Exactly. 1325 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:27,280 You know? 1326 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,280 - Yeah, so that's what I said. 1327 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,680 That's part of the reason why I'm excited about it. 1328 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,880 And I think culturally too, like, you know, 1329 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,200 I am an optimist, I am a humist. 1330 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,560 I know there's a lot of strife in our country going on 1331 01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,160 politically, but I also see a lot of opportunity for good. 1332 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,720 And I think people are inherently good. 1333 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,920 And I think that the pulling apart 1334 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,680 of the political parties right now, fuck 'em. 1335 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,760 Let 'em do that to each other. 1336 01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,520 But in the middle, people are just, 1337 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,080 they are so tired of the division. 1338 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:06,240 And they wanna get back to a reality of a human experience. 1339 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,760 And there's nothing better than live music, man. 1340 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,760 You get everybody together and, you know, 1341 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,960 you guys are playing for a crowd of 2,000 people. 1342 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,360 And how, man, if a thousand of them are hardcore trumpers 1343 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,120 and a thousand of them are hardcore Biden fans, 1344 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,280 they're all having a great time 1345 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,440 'cause it's a night of music and there's no bullshit. 1346 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,280 - Yep. - Yeah. 1347 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,280 - You know? 1348 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,200 - Yeah, I think that state is the closest 1349 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,200 that we can get to a primitive state at this point 1350 01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,280 because it really does take you over. 1351 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:37,280 And I know kind of going back to even some of the songs 1352 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,680 that are gonna be out on the second LP, 1353 01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,880 I kind of, we try to bring this tenacity 1354 01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:49,280 and intensity with soft songs at points. 1355 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,080 And I know that I have witnessed people in the crowd 1356 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,960 feeling a certain way and moving a certain way 1357 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,600 when I'm playing my quietest, you know? 1358 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:04,600 Because it has the most, I don't know, I don't wanna say effort, 1359 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,720 but. - Yeah, I usually get to see more reactions 1360 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,560 than you do it. - Right. 1361 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,000 It's probably harder to play softer. 1362 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,960 - That's true, it is. 1363 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,280 - Especially forever. - Yeah. 1364 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,120 Especially. - I just had this funny thought, 1365 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,120 we played this club down in Laguna Beach. 1366 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,080 25 years ago, and my drummer was from Sweden 1367 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,920 and he just beats the crap out of him 1368 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,680 and we had to, we played there two nights 1369 01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,400 and after one night we had to go to Home Depot 1370 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,880 and get like really thin sticks warm down to him. 1371 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,880 (laughing) 1372 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,200 I don't know why the hell I remember that. 1373 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,600 All right, we've been chatting for about an hour. 1374 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:39,960 I'm gonna hit you with three, 1375 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,840 just three fun and kind of lighthearted questions 1376 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,840 to wrap this thing up. 1377 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:46,920 You ready? - Yep. 1378 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:47,720 - Yep, yep. 1379 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:52,720 - Okay, number one, if you guys could mentor 1380 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,040 a young band today, what would you tell them? 1381 01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,400 - Smooth, less weed. 1382 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,440 - That's a good one, probably. 1383 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,760 - Look, great, they're eighth graders. 1384 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,280 Where the hell am I getting the weed from? 1385 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:08,280 (laughing) 1386 01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,880 - But where'd I get it from back then? 1387 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,640 - That's a good question. 1388 01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,800 - For the happy school. 1389 01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:13,960 - No, thanks, okay. 1390 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:19,800 - Don't take any show you play for granted 1391 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,880 and have fun, that's corny, 1392 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,960 but it's the truth for me. 1393 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,720 - Yeah, if you're not enjoying it, don't do it. 1394 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:29,560 - Nope. 1395 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,960 - Yeah, don't aim to be the best. 1396 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:36,400 And again, the only reason we kept with this was 1397 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,240 because we just saw tangible results after a while, 1398 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,480 but at first it was really literally just 1399 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,160 because we like doing it. 1400 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,480 And I think people who see you can see authenticity 1401 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,800 on the stage and they can see a connection. 1402 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:55,520 So I would also say make sure that you are presenting 1403 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,040 as a band who is connected. 1404 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,800 What, the first time I saw Anthony's for other band, 1405 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,920 his guitarist, like through his guitar off the stage, 1406 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,080 whatever he's all pissed off, and I was like, yeah. 1407 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,400 - Maybe, actually, maybe, yeah, what are you going with this? 1408 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,440 - Well, I was saying maybe that was actually more authentic. 1409 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,120 - I think it was. 1410 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,680 I can see that he really cared. 1411 01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,240 I would say, yeah, just try to present yourself 1412 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:25,480 as authentic musicians, not aiming for gold, 1413 01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:28,240 and you'll relate to more people in the crowd that way. 1414 01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,080 - Yeah. 1415 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,560 - Being genuine because people can see through you 1416 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:32,760 when you're not. 1417 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,840 - Nick, what would you tell him? 1418 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,920 - I would tell him to get better gear. 1419 01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:37,760 - Yeah, no. 1420 01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,840 - Gear doesn't matter. 1421 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,040 Sometimes it does, but I would say just realize 1422 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,840 that the music's never gonna leave you, 1423 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:51,720 once it's there, and the way that it exists, 1424 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,960 as you grow up, is gonna change, 1425 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,440 and sometimes it'll be a little less present, 1426 01:08:58,440 --> 01:08:59,720 and times a little bit more present, 1427 01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,840 but you just have to realize that it's always gonna be there 1428 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,000 in some way or another, 1429 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,960 and you gotta figure out how to harness it, 1430 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:11,080 strike while the iron's hot, 1431 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,080 and for anyone recording out there, 1432 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,120 don't be afraid to, 1433 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,440 zero's of ones are a lot cheaper now, 1434 01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:19,280 so don't be afraid to just hit record and just let it go, 1435 01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,440 and just keep it going. 1436 01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:21,720 You know? - Yeah. 1437 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,160 - Good, okay. 1438 01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,160 - All right, Nick. 1439 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,400 I'm gonna ask you this one, 1440 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,240 and then I want Madden Anthony to jump in, too. 1441 01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,240 If you could have any band from any genre, 1442 01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,320 cover any one of the herbivore songs, 1443 01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,800 what band would it be, 1444 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,280 and what song would they cover? 1445 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,840 - Old play, you know. 1446 01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:47,680 - No. 1447 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,880 - No, I don't think that would work out well. 1448 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,960 That's a really, that's a, 1449 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,120 I don't know how to answer questions like that. 1450 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,840 - Come on, look, here, I'll give you mine. 1451 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,320 I would love to hear, I mean, living your dead, right? 1452 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,520 Like I would love to hear Beastie Boy's cover college dead. 1453 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:09,680 - I love that. 1454 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:10,800 I wanna hear that. 1455 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:11,800 - That's great. 1456 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,880 - All right, that's what I'm talking about. 1457 01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,880 Come on, come on, what would you have to do? 1458 01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:16,720 - What do you have to do? 1459 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:17,840 - Bump over there, though, let me go. 1460 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,480 - All right, all right, Anthony. 1461 01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:20,640 Anthony, you go first. 1462 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,600 Any band from any genre, living your dead, 1463 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,080 you could dig 'em out of the grave, 1464 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,600 give 'em smelling salts and garhite. 1465 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:28,480 All right, boys, 1466 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,440 you work up, bring this song. 1467 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:37,440 - Yeah, I kinda want, I wanna hear the national, 1468 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,160 'cause I was listening to a lot of the national 1469 01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,720 when we, the band from Ohio, 1470 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,560 when we were recording album too. 1471 01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,560 And I kinda like to hear their rendition of, 1472 01:10:52,560 --> 01:11:03,080 I'd say on the walk home, which you can find now, streaming. 1473 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,720 - Okay, okay, Matt, what you got? 1474 01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,040 - Just to totally contrast our sound, 1475 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,680 would be cool to like if Peter Steele from type of negative 1476 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:17,600 was like ripping out some sad boy herbivore, 1477 01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,400 maybe like an easy read. 1478 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,240 - That would be cool. 1479 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:25,240 - Which isn't released yet, but it's only upcoming album. 1480 01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:32,400 So I like, you know, just to hear maybe like a heavy 1481 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,760 Brooklyn metal sound, the herbivore would be pretty sweet. 1482 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:37,600 - That would be cool. 1483 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,400 - I'll throw you another one since you mentioned faith in the war. 1484 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,680 How about, you ready for this? 1485 01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,680 How about Mr. Bungle? 1486 01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,720 - Nice. 1487 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,080 - Covering birds or you aren't real. 1488 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,920 (laughing) 1489 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,160 - That would be fucking awesome. 1490 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,640 Like, they should probably do that. 1491 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,120 - Yeah, mine would be funnier than that. 1492 01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,320 That would be funnier than hell. 1493 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,800 - We definitely love Michael Patton around here, so that would be amazing. 1494 01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,920 - Here's another one, Sarah McLaughlin, 1495 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,680 covering pixelated smile. 1496 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:10,280 - That's nice. 1497 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,560 How about two-pock covering smokestacks? 1498 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,800 - I need an actual. 1499 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,240 - Ooh, interesting. 1500 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:19,280 - Interesting. 1501 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:23,560 Are you two, are you two-pock or a biggie guy? 1502 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,080 - I'm a two-pock guy, but I love both. 1503 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,760 - Yeah, I love both too, it's hard to do. 1504 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:28,600 - But I love two-pock. 1505 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,920 Two-pock was like my childhood. 1506 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,840 - Prolific. 1507 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:35,160 - Yeah, in Kendrick. 1508 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,640 And by the way, Nick, I'm not letting you off the hook, dude. 1509 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:40,960 You still got the money. 1510 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,120 - You still got to answer the question. 1511 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,800 But let me tell you a funny little two-pock story, right? 1512 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,800 - Right. 1513 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,640 - I worked at a studio in Burbank back in the late 90s. 1514 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:55,200 And two-pock had already passed away, but they were doing a remix. 1515 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,800 He's got stuff in the vault, right? 1516 01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:59,640 - Oh yeah. 1517 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:00,480 - A lot of stuff in the vault. 1518 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,840 Like, they had an armed guard show up 1519 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,640 with the two intrials. 1520 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:11,280 I'm seriously like, big dude, big dude, fully armed, 1521 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,800 standing outside the studio door like nobody gets in. 1522 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,800 - That's fantastic. 1523 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,400 - That was crazy. 1524 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:18,840 I couldn't believe it, you know? 1525 01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,000 That and, and I used to see Barry White, 1526 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:23,840 - Nice. 1527 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,200 - You see Barry White over the studio all the time. 1528 01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:28,520 And he could be summer in Burbank 1529 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,120 and it's like a hundred degrees in Barry White walks in. 1530 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,080 And he's got a full length leather trench coat on. 1531 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:37,200 A hundred degrees outside. 1532 01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:38,960 He's got a full length leather trench coat on. 1533 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,680 He looks like Darth Vader coming down the hallway, right? 1534 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:46,120 And just like the most aromatic smell of weed, 1535 01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,720 just like, her furates. 1536 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,920 It's like a cloud, you know, 1537 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,600 he's got a contact eye, just like, 1538 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,480 "Ah, I got a morning, Mr. White." 1539 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:53,360 - That's awesome. 1540 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,400 You know, like, like, like, like, like that. 1541 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,440 - So, all right, come on, Nick, 1542 01:13:58,440 --> 01:13:59,280 who is it? 1543 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,080 What band is covering what song? 1544 01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,080 - I don't know who it is, but I want somebody to cover grips. 1545 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,840 But I don't know who it is. 1546 01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,080 I consume so much different music. 1547 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,440 - When I listen to grips, 1548 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:15,080 I would think like a, like, a Led Zeppelin maybe. 1549 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:16,320 I mean, I would always want to hear 1550 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:17,320 - What mother? 1551 01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,160 - What mother? 1552 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,000 - Classic. 1553 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,040 Against me. 1554 01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,360 Maybe against me, cover grips. 1555 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,200 - Oh, that's a good one. 1556 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:25,040 - Okay. 1557 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:25,720 - That'd be kind of cool. 1558 01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,160 Shout out Lord Jane. 1559 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,000 - Okay. 1560 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,320 - So we had to help Nick out with that. 1561 01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,400 - Yeah. - All right. 1562 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,920 - Nick's all the questions. 1563 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:32,760 - So, all right. 1564 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,360 So what's next for you guys? 1565 01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,000 You got this record coming up in, 1566 01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,440 and Kudos for putting out a full length record, by the way, 1567 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:42,080 when the rest of the world is doing singles. 1568 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,680 It's called From the Nook, right? 1569 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,760 And that's coming out in February. 1570 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:47,600 - Yes. 1571 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:52,160 The long awaited seven year journey. 1572 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,440 Let us do from the nook. 1573 01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:55,280 - Like, um, 1574 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,040 - Fucking steely Dan record, dude. 1575 01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:57,880 - Yeah. 1576 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:00,680 - So yeah, I think when it comes out, 1577 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,680 you'll hear some of our youth, 1578 01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,600 even as opposed to now, right? 1579 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,800 Which I think is still cool in a way. 1580 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,440 But yep, that's coming up next. 1581 01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:17,120 And we actually, we're gonna release a pixelated smile remix EP 1582 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,040 with two songs on it. 1583 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:19,880 - Nice. 1584 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,200 - We had a couple DJ friends, 1585 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,200 work with that a little bit. 1586 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,040 And then other than that, 1587 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:26,760 we're already demoing a third album. 1588 01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:27,600 So. 1589 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:28,440 - Damn. 1590 01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:29,280 - Okay. 1591 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:30,280 And then you got wrote, 1592 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:32,920 you had shows booked for next year? 1593 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,480 - We've been taking a little bit of a hiatus 1594 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:35,920 just to like, 1595 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,080 legitimately get this fucking album out. 1596 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,240 Like, a real. 1597 01:15:39,240 --> 01:15:42,200 So the next, 1598 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,480 the next show we have booked is just our 1599 01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,080 "I'm Really Showing February." 1600 01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:45,920 And then from there, 1601 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,480 we'll just take it from there. 1602 01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:49,480 - Love it, love it. 1603 01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:51,160 Well, Nick reach out to me. 1604 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:51,960 Let me know, 1605 01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,000 you know, if you guys wanna do, 1606 01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,080 you know, that's a streaming thing for the show. 1607 01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,360 - Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll punch in the right direction. 1608 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,400 You can even, 1609 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,960 it's another reason to get on Noster 1610 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,760 because a lot of these guys, 1611 01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,640 a lot of these devs will be willing to help you out 1612 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,960 and, you know, kind of help out on the back end of it. 1613 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,880 But all of that is lovely. 1614 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,360 And I really appreciate you guys coming on the show. 1615 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,000 And we are going to, 1616 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:25,120 we are gonna take them out with pixelated smile, right? 1617 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,120 - So, thanks, Tyler. 1618 01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,040 We appreciate you guys with what you're doing. 1619 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,080 - Yeah, love it guys. 1620 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,760 All right, we'll talk, hang on the, 1621 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:32,840 hang on the line just a little bit. 1622 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,040 Let me, let me start the song and then we'll chat 1623 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,880 for a little bit, but thanks for coming on. 1624 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:37,720 - Thank you. 1625 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:38,560 - Thank you. 1626 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,140 (upbeat music) 1627 01:16:41,140 --> 01:16:58,760 (Music playing) 1628 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,740 It's so strange, start your thing 1629 01:17:01,740 --> 01:17:04,920 (Music playing) 1630 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,420 I know more about you, friend 1631 01:17:07,420 --> 01:17:11,100 There's no images in the name 1632 01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:14,620 Interact with each day 1633 01:17:14,620 --> 01:17:20,620 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 1634 01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:26,100 From behind a screen I've managed to say 1635 01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:32,940 Formulating words of person is so easy 1636 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:39,260 We've been knowing, broken 1637 01:17:39,260 --> 01:17:42,260 For a child 1638 01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:48,500 At least I think so 1639 01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:53,140 Crucier picks away smart 1640 01:17:53,140 --> 01:17:59,500 Then you should know 1641 01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:04,300 Take my ways to time, love 1642 01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:15,120 (Music playing) 1643 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,220 I'll talk about what you're here every day 1644 01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:26,060 When you go off, I will bring you to custom 1645 01:18:26,060 --> 01:18:31,020 I'll always do the day when I 1646 01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:37,020 Yeah, I'll always do 1647 01:18:37,020 --> 01:18:43,180 And I'll go to jail 1648 01:18:43,180 --> 01:18:47,900 I just have to ask myself 1649 01:18:47,900 --> 01:18:58,220 To make the song stand to you, the sand of time 1650 01:18:58,220 --> 01:19:17,520 (Music playing) 1651 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:27,520 (Music playing) 1652 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:37,520 (Music playing) 1653 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:47,520 (Music playing) 1654 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:57,520 (Music playing) 1655 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:07,520 (Music playing) 1656 01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:17,520 (Music playing) 1657 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,520 (Music playing) 1658 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:31,520 (Music playing) 1659 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:37,520 (Music playing) 1660 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,520 Nice little soft landing there, huh? 1661 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:45,520 That is pixelated smile from herbivore coming to you at a Pittsburgh PA 1662 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,520 Nice little flutter pattern on the kick there at the end, that was nice 1663 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:53,520 Love their vibe, love the vocals, love the way it's mixed 1664 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,520 I really encourage you guys to go back through their catalog 1665 01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,520 They got some great stuff and another full album coming out here in about two months 1666 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,520 So definitely add them to your list of favorites 1667 01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,520 And make sure that you are sending them some sats 1668 01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,520 Because that is what value for value is all about 1669 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,520 Thank you guys so much for listening to another Phantom Power artist hour 1670 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:23,520 This might be the last one for the year, no no 1671 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,520 I don't know if I'm gonna have the time to do any other more podcasts this year 1672 01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,520 But definitely looking forward to 2024 1673 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,520 And I want to thank everybody who has been so supportive of us so far 1674 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,520 As we have rounded out this year and firing up our podcasts 1675 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,520 A lot of great shit coming up next year 1676 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,520 Can't wait for it, you know we got the Bitcoin Convention happening here 1677 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,520 Nashville next summer people from all over the world coming that's gonna be a blast 1678 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:53,520 But we're gonna have some big announcements coming to you guys in January 1679 01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,520 So thank you so much for supporting the show 1680 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,520 Don't forget to send some sats 1681 01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:01,520 And don't forget to smile for the mug shot 1682 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,520 Thanks y'all 1683 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:13,520 (Music)