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Hey everybody welcome back to the Phantom Power Artist Hour.

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We have got a great young artist coming to us from Florence Italy by way of Nairobi Kenya. Her name is Covenia.

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And we had a great conversation. We had some technical difficulties where we had to start to stop a couple times

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and patch it all together. But it is a great conversation about her background, about her passion for music, about being a musician in Florence Italy today,

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the 1st of December in 2023. And as well as Bitcoin and value for value and wave lake and all that kind of fun stuff.

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So we are going to listen to her debut track called Unlucky. We are going to listen to that and then we are going to bring her on the show.

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So thank you guys for listening. Let's check out Unlucky by Covenia and then we will bring her on for the interview.

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You ready? Here we go.

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♪ No one I love can love it had to be there but eventually it but I got caught up in the thrill of it ♪

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♪ We lived so blissfully it came to a head and when it did it it would you less than a minute but I laughed for a minute came back and you already found someone else.

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♪ Silly me thinking it was under control silly me thinking it was faulty silly me thinking I put more foot in it all did I know you had me wrapped around you silly me standing there didn't know I had it all.

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♪ Makes me kind of but I can't kill time with you no more.

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♪ Makes me kind of but I can't kill time with you no more.

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♪ Still I tripped over the thought of what it could have been potential is silly me for a minute I thought that I knew you silly me didn't know I had it all.

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♪ So I guess that's my time for you.

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♪ We're kind of fast too. Maybe it's not my day job.

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♪ I have to sit it through.

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♪ So it seems and that's something it's past my time with you.

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♪ How fast it feels like the job who I have to sit it through.

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♪ But I'm quick to find my feet and you and Tom will live you no more.

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♪ Makes me kind of but I can't kill time with you no more.

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♪ Makes me kind of but I can't kill time with you no more.

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♪ How can I kill time with you no more.

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♪ Makes me kind of but I can't kill time with you no more.

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All right welcome back everybody thank you so much for joining us you just heard unlucky which is the day businger from our guest today and like every moronic American I have a habit of destroying the pronunciation of people's names.

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So I am going to let our guest introduce herself so that I don't screw up her name. What is your name wonderful guest please get it was proper pronunciation.

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My name is Covenia.

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Covenia.

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Okay so and then as I'm looking at your Instagram right now I see your full I don't even want to try and pronounce your middle name.

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Oh the last name is a little bit harder than the middle name.

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Okay so the middle name is is it Manta?

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Manta yeah.

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How do you pronounce your last name?

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I'm just going to stick with Covenia.

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Well welcome thank you so much for joining us so thrilled to have you here I love the track unlucky and you've had some some success over on wave leg.

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So I'm going to try to pronounce your last name in Florence Italy right now is that correct?

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Yes.

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And I see a nice little upright piano behind you with a boatload of sheet music so what are you so tell us like how did you get to Florence Italy and what and what what are you doing there?

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I started from 2013 and I came here originally to study the piano classical piano and I started learning about other genres of music.

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Jazz music because that's what people were playing around over here and yeah and I started I did a course in jazz piano.

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I started to beat the discipline and stick to it but I I met a lot of different musicians and I started singing as well and that's also where I first started performing live seriously.

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And yeah I've just been working as a musician here but yeah after you I keep on saying maybe I'll try somewhere new but something something happens every year.

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Wow. So how did you signal what where are you from originally but I apologize if I get this wrong but I was looking at your Instagram and are you from Kenya originally?

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From Nairobi, Nairobi.

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And how did you get from Nairobi up to Florence like was did you apply to your family up there was a cultural exchange like what was it?

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No it was completely random because I was in school I did the English system and usually you'd go to the union, the UK or some people would go to the US or something.

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But I wanted to do a gap there and there were some Italian cultural initiatives happening in Nairobi at the time.

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And I think Ricardo Moote had come over here at a concert for free and I was just interested in Italy.

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So basically the embassy recommended a school and the Florence and that's plus where I went I studied the language and piano but I was mostly language at the time because you had to catch up with the language.

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So how's your Italian know?

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It's pretty good.

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What happened?

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Well in your English is fantastic. So you got English you got Italian. Now what's your mother tongue? What's your native tongue?

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Well the official languages in Kenya are English and so are healing.

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So but everyone has their tribes. Yeah I have their own languages but unfortunately I don't speak the language for my tribe very well.

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So it's just a Swahili in English.

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Well Swahili English in Italian man that's a that that takes a a well trained brain to pull that off.

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I mean how I can barely even get through just one language English.

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Well I didn't think I didn't think I didn't even learn the Italian because when I was in school I did German and French and the Germans stuck a little more than the French but I don't remember any French.

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I didn't think I'd have to learn but you you have to if you want to get outside of the circle that you're in.

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No I get that I actually studied jazz piano and jazz guitar in Switzerland for a time about 30 years ago up in the good sound.

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And yeah I mean learning German helped get around town but I found like all of the cats that I was hanging with they all wanted to talk English.

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So it's like I was like I'm going to use this wrecking do it. And I'm like God come on guys like you know help me out here but they all wanted to they all wanted to talk English.

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It is it happens over here as well but I'm just imagining over there they speak English even better than they speak and it's these so it's probably impossible to try and get people to speak to you in German.

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Yeah well it's so the music school that you landed at in Florence what is the discipline there is it is it primarily classical is it primarily jazz is it is it a music school for instruction what is it.

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It was a culture and language school but they did music courses as well so but now the jazz program isn't really there anymore I was lucky that I was there at the time because the director had gone.

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The director had come from NYU so he he wanted to start this yeah this jazz program over there which was a lucky lucky period and he also had this jazz magazine or he's brother date it was called jazz it and it's quite a big jazz magazine and Europe.

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But J.A. is easy I.T. yeah okay yeah I know it yeah do you do you know him until you're on no I don't but I'm familiar with the publication yeah yeah that was though he had that that he was a very encouraging about starting the jazz program but he's not there anymore so it's it's gone to the classic Florentine you know opera.

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And not even the pianos that that begin our school anymore so like they're focusing mainly on opera singers right now and it's also language school so the language and art history and opera I mean object.

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You know it's funny you mentioned opera because I got my everybody around the world right now is getting their statistics from from Spotify about what they listen to.

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Right and my number two number three number four and number five for me personally this year was all opera like their day.

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That's interesting god.

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And I think that's what I mean that's what I listen to more than anything anymore just because it is.

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Because when I listen to it I don't really know where it's going right I'm like what when I listen to pop I I have a game with myself where.

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I try to guess where the melody is going where the chord progression is going and if I can guess correctly then I don't.

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And I'm interested which is one of the reasons why I loved your day of you single is because you completely had me guessing with your melody and your core changes and everything like that.

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But that's why I listen to opera so much is because I like especially new stuff that I've never heard and it's you know you've got hundreds of years of it.

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So how did you and I'm sorry for the soundtrack there but it's so talk to me a little bit about your influences because you must have.

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A completely different mindset then your peers up up there in Florence who are writing R&B who are writing soul who are writing.

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Pop needs and your stuff really isn't pop per say it's more R&B and soul but talk to me about your musical background like how did you.

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Get started where where where was that first seed planted in convenience mind with respect to composition and melody.

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And finally enough I think it was Disney. Yeah. Yeah because that was I had a lot of cassettes and my dad also used to love to blast classical music and I mean all kinds of music but.

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Yeah really was Disney because I'd sing along to little marmade and poker heart and all those things and.

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I was with the wind baby.

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That's it's really funny because that I mean I'm in the I'm from Kenya it's completely the TV watch is completely not really the ball to where I'm living really so it's.

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Yeah and I think because I know a lot of for a lot of people music is like about the community that they're in yeah which I which I found strange I which I find strange.

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I guess people say that this generation is like based on the internet that they live on the internet the influences come from that but I feel like I was similar because it came from the TV and stuff that was.

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It was always to do with fantasy and something like a far away kind of concept I don't know if I'm explaining myself.

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I get it I you know I mean over here in the States you know for for better or for worse and in many respects it's for worse where the artistic center you know so I'm always very curious how artists such as yourself who have.

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Such a command of their art but also you come from such a different cultural background that inevitably is going to see it's way into your writing and into your composition and into your performance you know over here it's easy to understand why somebody would be.

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Inspired by Lauren Hill or or Taylor Swift or Oscar Peterson for that matter because we're you know you can it's not hard to find but you have so many more potential influences coming from Nairobi and studying in Florence.

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So I'm always curious as to how that comes about and I will say to that there's nothing wrong with getting into music from Disney like some of those old classics are incredibly incredible music.

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But even even go back further like to the old time Disney movies like one of my favorite jazz standards is someday my friends know what it's not and you were going to see snow white yeah you know I mean that wonderful wall.

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Yeah right I mean it just it just pulls you it's swing so hard swing so hard so okay so so you get so you're a Disney kid from Kenya.

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Yeah you you go through the cultural program through the embassy start learning Italian you're in Florence now what happens now now how how does your writing change and how does your performance change and how does it all start to percolate.

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Well before getting to Florence I did I did write my own music in Kenan it would turn out to be R&B and those trying to be pop I guess I did after after the Disney a lot of the music that I was listening to that was pop was R&B because that's kind of what was popular at the time like would be on sand as sure and that's kind of what I grew up with and that's

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in that to me was the pop music and I did I did stuff with rap groups when I got when I came over to Florence I really wanted to study the classical piano I was listening to organic hissing and all that kind of stuff but I wanted to like inside of maybe end up being a sort of Alicia keys you know some more Valerie Simpson type of artist

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I love Nina Simone I think I think Nina Simone and and what we're not using video for this interview but I'm sitting here with my eyes closed my hand raised because I love Nina Simone so much Meena is the most underrated jazz piano player I think to me she's number two to me to me number one

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Oscar Peterson and then you got Meena and then I'll take that King Cole for days right but Meena I got Meena's Nea Simone kills me like her jazz improvisation is like part jazz part box you right it's so good.

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Yes and yeah the fact that she makes a little tangent there I'm like yeah you mentioned Nina and I start to freak out go ahead I'm sorry no no no because they don't where she when she improvises and that's telling the few so that is like something that I don't know that it's something like people don't really have another fingers to do that right now like not even like classical musicians really improvise few things like I mean I don't I don't really know much about the classical but I'm not really sure what I'm doing is not really good.

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That's cool but I'll be like on that song it's an A I think my baby don't care for me right for me and like go back and listen to her her improvisation right all right I'm going to prove to you right now what what what a Nina freak I am hang on hang on because you can see me rifling through sheet music right here right here we go here it is my baby

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baby just cares for me piano solo transcribe oh wow transcribed come in here right but if you look at how she breaks down and I can I just dump to Beethoven all over the floor did you think the transcriptions of her no I bought this one I mean I I'm not that I'm not that talented as far as I'm

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Oh bad takes like a lot of like obsession for people like to yeah yeah I'm gonna eat I'm gonna email this to you see you can see you can have it right oh my that would be great that transcription like when you start

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diving into the back end of her transcription it's like you're looking at Bach it's it's incredible measure seven I'm gonna send this to you and then

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the email measure 17 and you're gonna be like oh my god this brilliant so so yeah we can and her impact over here culturally on music it just speaks for

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itself she was brilliant she was a brilliant artist she was a brilliant activist for human rights she was great for

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standing up for artists rights and like every brilliant artist she got screwed over by managers and labels and all this kind of stuff but damn she like she grew up the hard way like playing clubs on the East Coast right like I mean she she put her time in so for those of you who have never heard those you

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listening who have never heard of me in Simone I'm gonna put a link in this podcast and you gotta go back and listen a couple of her tracks because she's just she's just brilliant so

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all right anyways I'll shut up because we're talking this is not about Nina Simone this is about good idea so all right so let's talk about this track that you

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dropped up on on wave lake first of all how did you find wave lake how did you find value for value in Bitcoin and and

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did you put up you know how did unlucky which is a kick ass single how did it find its way on to wave lake okay so you know I was actually thinking recently about how I found out about Bitcoin yeah

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because I remember I remember I always thought it was um I associated it with some kind of game and I was wondering why

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what the longest time because I I remember it from from middle school I guess it would be the the the maybe high school middle I don't know that time but I

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realized the reason why was because of farmville I think I heard about them at the same time farmville on

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Facebook I don't know if you know remember this game called farmville on Facebook it's basically I mean I just

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know how I found it but I that's the time I heard them are the same I heard about them at the same time because farmville was the thing so I heard about Bitcoin and then people

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will tell me okay yeah so you can you buy these coins and then you can I'm like but yeah that tell me I don't remember if someone had bought

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something with them but I'm like is it real money so it's like fake money again with like fake money but you have to pay money to have like the

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fake coins so I I associated it with Facebook and farmville at the time so that was my first like the first

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yeah I think I was in to Bitcoin but then after well okay then I heard like it was supposed to be an alternative to money and then maybe years

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ahead I'm like okay now it's like worth like a couple of hundred for one of them and then now it's like it then later on it actually

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became a thing that was quite serious I'm like well why don't I why don't I try and learn about that yeah well I think I never felt

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like it's like 38,000 this morning I think yeah I have it I haven't kept up with what it was yeah but yeah yeah and I think I finally got some

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last year I thought it was just gonna let the whole thing pass me but because I didn't think that it was something that

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would become so relevant but now I realize that it's something like you need to have you know so yeah I'm my

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boyfriend is also very into it and he's like he puts all his savings into good man so yeah and he's he's convinced he's family

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trying to convince my family to do the same and yeah yeah I think the opportunity that Bitcoin gives musicians right now is I

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think it's the best time ever to be an independent musician because of Bitcoin I see a lot of artists do you know also

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jumping around in the NFT space in the Ethereum space but I'm not attracted to those platforms primarily because of

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there's the the store of value in the lack of scarcity but I think with Bitcoin you know the fact that I can sit here in

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Nashville and find a new R&B artist influence Italy and be like oh shit that song stope I'm gonna send

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there's a lot of money I'm gonna send her 20 bucks without a bank in the way without Spotify in the way without your

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label or your manager anybody like that in the way like you got that you that this generation of independent

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artists has a greater opportunity because of digital currency because of Bitcoin that never before so I'm

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taking advantage of it how to found a way like did you find it or did your boy think find it he found it on the Bitcoin magazine oh good

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Bitcoin is right on okay yeah yeah he's like but he had talked about the lightning network network and how it could be

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away that would help us the streaming streaming services and that kind of thing but he said he's an an actual site now

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for it and I didn't know about anything else at the time so yeah he's the one who showed me what wave play against I

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looked it up and it was quite easy to put a song up you just uploaded it and that's that's about it there was no

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yeah absolutely yeah as they say over here in New Jersey bought a thing bought a boom you dropping it right

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and there is and I'm looking at their fanzine right now online and for anybody you can go on to wave lake which is

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w a g l a k e dot com and on their main page scroll down a little bit and you'll see featured artist and you can click on

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unlucky and of course you can send some zaps directly to Florence Italy where she is hanging out and doing more writing

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right now so all right so that's cool so you've and then you've been kind of like bouncing back and forth between the number one slot

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your today is the first of December and you are in the number three position over there on the wave lake chart

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yeah I think I was a number one until a couple of days ago I think it was just it stayed there and now it's

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the track that was the numbers you came up two and three yeah I mean that's great that's good publicity for you

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and you know you can also go over to podcasting index or excuse me podcast index dot or

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yeah actually here let me send you this link in the chat but they have a top like a like a charts you know top one under

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and top 200 thing for all of the music that's being played on all of the podcasting 2.0 apps and you are

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you are number six worldwide over there so here let me put this in the chat so you can see it

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oh all right you see I have no idea what's going on that's cool yeah so yeah that's run the podcast index dot org that's basically

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you know that's basically run by those guys at the like you know Adam Curry and Adam and Dave over it on their show

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much love to those guys and everybody working behind the scenes on the RSS side of life with respect to getting all these podcasts out

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but yeah if you click on that link and scroll down you are number six and it changes like every hour or so

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so yeah this tour is updated hourly so with the just loud your Martin Music and ANSI Costello who are the other

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yeah yeah so just loud who we interviewed the other day he's number one shrooms is number one right now and then grind

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dunk and Joe Martin amesley bear snake records rumination zone purpose whatever that is yeah but yeah so that's good

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that's a cool thing you should you should bookmark and hang on to all right so let's let's talk a little bit about this track

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this track unlucky where is the inspiration what where did the inspiration for this come from

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um musically or story was more is yours both both well I think unlucky it's so hard to remember actually

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where it came from because I just released it on wavelength but it's a it's an old song that I did it about 2019

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but I think it was about us oh yes it's a very funny story I was I was going out with someone we just started going out

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and I went home for a summer and when I came back um tell me that he found someone they fall in and loves and I'm

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when did you meet her he said um like on the sixth of August I'm like is this the day after I left

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what a thousand oh but I'm like okay I guess it happened so like but then I was like really I thought really

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unlucky it's like unlucky and I'm lucky with that one but um I was also happy that I I didn't I I was I

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didn't have to stick with him for that oh because it was also I wasn't gonna go anywhere so I felt unlucky but

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relieved at the same time so it's that's that's kind of where the chorus comes from because we're just killing time

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together so it's but you know you've lost delusion and it's still kind of you feel a little bit down about it

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and I was I started listening to um uh low and again not truly I don't remember what he's forgetting the name of the

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I love it I would have never picked up on that influence

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the event release

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I would have never picked up on that oh

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and I remember I was I was like when I found out about that I I went to the supermarket I got myself like

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I said I don't really drink but I got some some kind of kin and then I was like thinking this this spirit

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well to close my to close a lot of my female friends guys suck I'm sorry this dude got you

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holy cow alright so I have so then so this dude find somebody else the day after you leave

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and then and you're listening to a loan again naturally and you're like I can't be killing time with this dude anymore

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did you track I'm assuming you tracked it up in Florence right

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yeah so I had a it kind of took a while for the actual song to come to come together because I I got this

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I thought that part and I was like I was playing it with chords but like that even but even with the like

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no my love I can love that with the with the lyrics and everything but that was it

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that's all I had for like a while and that happens a lot to me I just have like a little phrase with the melody

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and then like I don't know where to go with that like that's it that's like it's just a mood

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yeah just scoring you know stored in your phone stored in your journal or whatever right yeah

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and I think at the time I'd been part of this this project that was an all female orchestra

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for it was Arab and Mediterranean women and they included me because they thought yeah you keep just coming

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it was yeah it was it was it's really cool music but I told the production that I wanted to do my own solo project

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and I asked if they knew any producers and there was this producer that he's called a Savar Yolansen

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he's on he produces for but it's kind of Italian rock pulp that was that's a genre he kind of deals with

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and we were trying to write things together and I'm I mean in a session nothing was happening

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so I said oh I have this melody is like oh is this singing it again and then he's like okay just like try

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and make like a make up like a like a chorus is like that I'm like I just I mean I did I

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did I song I don't know but in that minute in that moment it just came up like that

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though and he wouldn't budge on it and I thought okay he has these these connections

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these connections and stuff but it's not the genre that I want so I took the song that we made together

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in terms of like the structure I wrote the lyrics on top of it like I finished everything else

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and this was a good for you before the year before the pandemic and I think with everything you kind of learn that you have to

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I've kind of had to do things the stuff that I do is not I intentionally initially wanted to do it myself

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but you're kind of pushed to do yourself and you you grow and not necessarily without planning to do it

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but it's good that you put into the situation and you learn from it so I got to figure out how to produce

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and he eventually offered to help me make the sounds better and use the studio and like

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help me produce it so I got it too the sounds that I wanted and it was a really gratifying having like exactly the song I wanted

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to say good for you for two reasons one for sticking up for yourself and and not releasing it in a genre

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that you knew didn't speak to your heart I mean there's nothing wrong with Italian pop and Italian rock

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but if it's not what you're writing in then don't do it and then number two for taking on Ableton

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and learning how to how to how to fight that monster man Ableton is Ableton's a beast man so yeah

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are here around town and you know there's there's a lot of people that use Ableton for live tracks and every now and then I'm like what the hell did I do that

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you know you just you feel like a you feel like a first grader trying to figure it out again but it's powerful

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it's a great it's a great tool it's a great tool for sure so I see on your on your Instagram

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that you're doing some gigs around town that you're playing like are you doing jazz gigs you doing pop gigs like what what what's your live music

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life like in Florence right now yeah I'm trying to put together a show that's my music but the live music that I've been doing

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has been part of a project called a daisies and it's it's basically private events and it's it's it's I mean I work with a three horns

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a trombone a saxophone a tenor sax and a trumpet yeah no bass drums me and then the conga

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is in percussion is some and it's it's it's kind of R&B and so music is whatever I do but like adopted to that to that group

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I dig it I'm looking at your Instagram right now is that the hotel number nine thing hotel no oh yeah that was yeah that was one as well

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yeah yeah it's it's it was it's an interesting project it's I got to along with those the same people play with a big band with Steven Fightske

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who's he's he just won a Grammy for a best best large jazz ensemble album and yeah

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it was it was like the first time during jazz in a long time yeah and it was really cool yeah it's it's it's a it's a very specific

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situation and I tend to with them like the stuff that we're doing is mostly private events

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unfortunately because I'd really love to do more public events but you know it's what you know

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you know but yeah gets you paid the private events yeah yeah yeah so are you doing music full-time are are you still in start like are

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you still in school are you teaching like what what are you doing full-time no I just that's all I do especially

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with this these private events that's that's all I do for good for you

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yeah they they really gave me yeah it's so it's not easy to find and Florence either to be honest

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it was a really good it's a really good opportunity a different but yeah a different I don't know how to explain it a different group

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how is the is the music scene in Florence pretty diverse is it I mean you've got your arguably in the opera class one of the opera in classical

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yeah quote unquote capitals of the world so there's gonna be a lot of that but is there a lot of other rock and jazz and hip-hop and all that

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so when I came to Florence I thought the music scene was so big because that was my first time out of home I was 18 and I hadn't really been going for live concerts

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and there are things to go to but it's it's not like your Paris or your Berlin it is not that much

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there's not that much to go to a lot of the things the same places that you go to the same spots you go to will have the same musicians

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and it's kind of a I don't want to say clickish but it's a you'll see the same places in the same places

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although they're great musicians but people people tend to want to go out to try and do you know to find the places that are better paying as well

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and it comes to clubs yeah I'm just I'm just googling here how many people live in Florence Italy

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what's the population oh wow it's only 380,000

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yeah oh yeah Comos just like a little Comos a little resort town in the you know up by Switzerland right

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but no I haven't I haven't been to Florence yet and I'm dying to go but I but yeah I get it you know you got you only got

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380,000 people in the area it is the home of the quote unquote home of classical and opera right I mean Vienna being the other

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of the Renaissance it was this where the but yeah it's where opera opera singing started you know

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I get very proud of that rightfully so but yeah it's a lot of modern stuff is a little bit

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you don't find much much to do so have you thought about maybe traveling out to Belon or or Rome or

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Berlin or something to maybe expand a little bit or are you going to stay there what what are you thinking for the future

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you know every every year I say that I'm going to go somewhere else yeah but I found I found a group of people

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who do find me concerts in other places like that can connect me to other people because the projects that I found

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do move a lot for the for example this urban Mediterranean group oh yeah yeah to we have the Canoong

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just all come together to practice between like Florence and Rome but so so they get concerts

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records from everywhere good and we get to travel but for my own thing which is what I'm trying to work on now my own show

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for my music I'm trying to get links and connections for that so I can start traveling and I want to move as much as I can yeah

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say you guys I mean Europeans you know you can jump on a train and be in Zurich in the morning in Paris in the morning

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and Brussels you know tomorrow afternoon I mean I know it's nighttime there but you know you guys are geographically

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and go home right whereas whereas we have to drive our ass everywhere in this country right

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I really people don't fly much all they do but it's just it's easier to do like when you're touring over here

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you know 95% of the acts that are on the road here probably even 99 they're driving you know just because

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just the cost of getting all of the gear on an airplane right I mean most of the shows that I still do when I'm out on the road

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you know the artist will typically drive with the gear and it's kind of 50/50 for me if I'm a hired gun on the show

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I might fly out the day of and fly back the next day or I might be driving with the artist but I'm in a little bit of a different scenario

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the most just being a little being a little older and being able to pick the gigs that I get to do or the gigs that I want to do

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but most of my buddies who are down touring with country artists they're driving you know they'll

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you know and what's crazy too is like they'll finish up a set here in Nashville at 2 a.m. down on Broadway

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where all the honky-tongues are and then they've got a bus call they got to get on the bus at 3 or 4 in the morning

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and then they drive you know 12 hours down to Texas and they'll play Texas you know they'll play Dallas that night

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and then the show is over and then they get back in the bus and they come back and they play Nashville in the afternoon

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it's like damn you know I mean you know you sleep on the bus you sleep in the back of the van that type of thing

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but you guys have a better Europe has a better travel infrastructure with respect to trains and things like that

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that makes life in many respects can make life easier for musicians but I digress

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we're getting a little off topics so okay so what's next you had you were kind enough to share with me

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another single that you're working on that you got coming out when what is it called and when's it coming out

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it's called that smile you're wearing

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it's I'm not sure exactly when it's gonna come out I'd hope to release it this month or January

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as well as a bunch of other songs yeah the song is it's a very happy song it's kind of dope inspired

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in some ways I just I think I was inspired by a bass on Nia Simone track

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oh is it yeah I was oh what is it it's like oh god I ain't got no I got life I don't know if she didn't really notice that

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nice yeah okay and then I thought I got the concept from Annie one of my favorite which is you know you're never fully dressed without a smile

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yeah great oh I love that okay fantastic well yeah you know December is an awful month to release music just because

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oh Christmas yeah yeah I guess that's right I mean every I know everybody's fighting to get their stuff done

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at the end of summer so they can release it in like September and October but like December just sucks

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for releasing new music it's always good to wait until January

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well I can't wait to hear the new single I mean you you were kind enough to send it to me I wish I could share it here for the back end of the show but I'll wait

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oh I mean you can say it if you want yeah I got to figure out I got to figure out how to oh I could I could probably download it and drop it in and do that

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okay so I'll figure out how to do that so tell everybody where they can find you on the internet

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and what your socials are and all that kind of fun stuff so people can track you down yeah you can find me on Instagram

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that's the number one spot have vanya monday.com that's kav i n y a m o n t h e

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that is the gorm and from there I'll just just go to instagram that's the okay that's easy is there your just google my name because there you got many

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kavini's yeah that's true the a v i n y a m

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okay fantastic well thank you very much for doing this and for joining me I can't wait to hear what you got coming out

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with with the next single and with what you're going to be doing after that and I really hope you get a chance to come over here and perform and I hope you get a chance to hit the road more in Europe I just I adore your voice in your writing style

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and yeah you have a unique perspective that shines through on your music so it was a pleasure to have you on the show so

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thank you so much thank you so much um yeah it's really was really good to talk to you yeah well and if you and your boyfriend ever find yourself over here in Nashville you got a place to stay so just let me know

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cool cool definitely yeah and then m also hit me up if you guys come by Florence

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yeah I love to yeah we'd love to yeah alrighty well we'll I'll figure out a way to take the show out with the with the single that you're going to be releasing soon and I wish you all the best and happy holidays and we'll talk soon

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you too thank you

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yeah we're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so that's my you're in for it to hear I had to sing for too long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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sometimes I think that it's too late for us and now we think we find out where he's back to us moments where we sit in the apps together when no one's up for our judge

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and then it was too late for us but now we think we find out where he's back to this that's my you're wearing gold it to hear I had a team that's so long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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I had a team that's my you're in for it to hear I had a team that's so long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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I forgot about the wall that had to chase I've just been in that about direction it was I'm just a little more sitting place to face

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we just never seem to see heart to the night I don't think that any of us have a chart right now I forgot and what I had to forgive all that's making my mind just so that's it

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I'm ever fully dressed with that that smile you go from head to toe when you wear that smile you're just so beautiful when you give me that smile

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I'm free for things to see right now that's my you're wearing gold it to hear I had a team that's so long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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I had a team that's so long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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I had a team that's so long that's my you're in for it to hear makes my heart feel so

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so that is could be me with that smile you're wearing that's the latest single the next single she's going to drop

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I don't know when she's going to drop it but just beautiful voice great song structure really unique approach towards melody and hook I love her writing

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we had some technical difficulties with this interview we actually had to span it over two days and I had to kind of piece it together but I wanted to play for you guys an excerpt from the conversation that we had before we

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I wanted to talk about the songwriting and this just gives you another kind of an insight into her thought process with the music so here is the excerpt from the interview

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I found it really cool like what I heard and I just out said about like just the melodies and the just the fact that like writing is really an instinct because for me writing is like something that's like kind of a hassle

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yeah it's like some I mean I could I don't know I guess maybe I do get overwhelmed by ideas I don't have like sit down you sit down

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and then you don't know how to actually channel things I don't know like kind of attention thing but I don't like it's more it's I find it very like remember Billy Joel saying the same thing I'm like

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yeah that's how I feel I feel it is like it's something that requires discipline for me yeah like you can feel it in your body that you got to get it out

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but it's painful to get it out yes and you don't and I mean it's a good process to get it out but it's also hard to get it out

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yeah it's I always love asking people how they write you know do they write music first do they write lyrics first just allows response to that I thought was interesting too

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everybody yeah everybody writes differently you know and I had an angeles point about you know like not believing in writer's block just like fuck and get through it

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you know it's like I mean that's that's that's valid you know I always wrote music first just so I would know where the melody would fall I would know what sort of I am the

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parameter I can work with you know musically and I'm always fascinated by how other people think you know about how they write lyrics first you know or how you came up with the melody for

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you know how you came up with the melody for unlucky I'm like fuck people do that

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this is this comes out of the blue does it it yeah yeah one of the things that I've always believed in

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chikoshki is is one of my favorite composers and I love his quote inspiration is not a guest it comes to those who seek it you know you

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know you got to keep looking for it you got to keep you got to keep your eyes open you don't you know and then when you are accepting when you're looking and when you're open to the ideas they

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they will come in you know but you got to be open to it you get and it's not easy well that'll do it thank you kavenia for joining us sorry for the technical difficulties brought to you by my wonderful internet provider

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thank you guys so much for listening don't forget to send some sats over to this show as well as to kavenia directly you know when those songs are playing

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thank you to our host our ss blue doby does for all the amazing work that he does make sure you check out the other shows we've got we've got the phantom power

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business hour we got some great guests coming up later this week and that show will post probably the week of the

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eleventh and then of course we've got phantom power music review where we break down songs and then the phantom power top 10

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right scour the internet looking for value for value artists and put up some top 10 shows of their work you should know with the review

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and the top 10 show i really only put those out once i found enough music to do them so they're not on a regular basis but the artist hours quickly

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coming a regular basis thing and we got a couple people lined up for December so thank you all for listening hope you guys have a wonderful and safe holiday season and please do not forget to smile for the mugshot

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