1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,680 Hey everybody, welcome to the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,440 This is a listener-supported value cast. 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,760 There's no ads, there's no commercials, there's no sponsors. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,160 And if you like it, if it brings value into your life, I would ask that you give me some 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,720 value in return, be it with your time, your talent, or your treasure. 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,400 And I would hope that you would do the same to the artists and the music that we share 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,080 on, not only on this podcast, but on the other ones that we have as well. 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,680 That is what value for value is about. 9 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:44,560 It's not just about Bitcoin, it is about time, talent, and treasure. 10 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,720 So I welcome your feedback, I welcome your suggestions, feel free to reach out to me on 11 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:54,920 Telegram, on Noster, on Instagram, all that fun stuff. 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:02,840 And today's show, we are speaking with Jack Bemister, out of Southern Australia. 13 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:08,080 I have been following Jack's music for about a year and a half, two years now when I first 14 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,360 found him and started blogging about his work. 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:19,760 And I'm just blown away by the authenticity of his artistry, and I say all of that because 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:26,880 if you listen to the music that he put out in 2020 and then 2022, and then the absolute 17 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:32,440 hard left he took with his latest releases that you've been hearing on my shows as well 18 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:40,000 as other people's shows, songs like Setup and Morgan, it is vastly different than where 19 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,080 he first started. 20 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,880 And I love all of it, and I love his authenticity. 21 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:52,300 So we have a great conversation, and as always I'm splitting this show with him, so if you 22 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:56,920 send any Boosters apps, half go to me, half go to the artist. 23 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:03,600 And we're going to start it off with a song that is a bit of a sneak peak. 24 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Rescone the cough is the name of the song. 25 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:14,100 And if you are up on your Russian literature, you'll know what we're talking about. 26 00:02:14,100 --> 00:02:17,900 This song is not in the value of just yet, it's going to be baked in the podcast, you can't 27 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:20,020 find it as a single. 28 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:24,980 But Jack wanted me to open up the show with this one, and I love the idea. 29 00:02:24,980 --> 00:02:28,660 So let's play the song and then we'll bring him on for the interview. 30 00:02:28,660 --> 00:02:34,340 This is Rescone the Cough by Jack Femister on the Phantom Power Artist Hour. 31 00:02:34,340 --> 00:02:35,340 Here we go. 32 00:02:35,340 --> 00:02:59,820 [Music] 33 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:09,820 [Music] 34 00:03:09,820 --> 00:03:19,820 [Music] 35 00:03:19,820 --> 00:03:27,820 [Music] 36 00:03:27,820 --> 00:03:37,820 [Music] 37 00:03:37,820 --> 00:03:47,820 [Music] 38 00:03:47,820 --> 00:03:55,820 [Music] 39 00:03:55,820 --> 00:04:05,820 [Music] 40 00:04:05,820 --> 00:04:15,820 [Music] 41 00:04:15,820 --> 00:04:19,820 [Music] 42 00:04:19,820 --> 00:04:29,820 [Music] 43 00:04:29,820 --> 00:04:39,820 [Music] 44 00:04:39,820 --> 00:04:49,820 [Music] 45 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:59,820 [Music] 46 00:04:59,820 --> 00:05:09,820 [Music] 47 00:05:09,820 --> 00:05:13,820 [Music] 48 00:05:13,820 --> 00:05:17,820 [Music] 49 00:05:17,820 --> 00:05:27,820 [Music] 50 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:37,820 [Music] 51 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:47,820 [Music] 52 00:05:47,820 --> 00:05:55,820 [Music] 53 00:05:55,820 --> 00:06:05,820 [Music] 54 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:09,820 [Music] 55 00:06:09,820 --> 00:06:11,820 [Music] 56 00:06:11,820 --> 00:06:21,820 [Music] 57 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:31,820 [Music] 58 00:06:31,820 --> 00:06:41,820 [Music] 59 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:51,820 [Music] 60 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:53,820 [Music] 61 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:55,820 [Music] 62 00:06:55,820 --> 00:06:57,820 [Music] 63 00:06:57,820 --> 00:07:07,820 [Music] 64 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:17,820 [Music] 65 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:21,820 [Music] 66 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:23,820 [Music] 67 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:25,820 [Music] 68 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:35,820 [Music] 69 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:37,820 [Music] 70 00:07:37,820 --> 00:07:47,820 All right, welcome to the Phantom Power Artist Hour and I am very fortunate to have Mr. Jack Femister on the line with me today. 71 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:49,820 What's up, buddy? How are you? 72 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:51,820 I'm good, man. How are you going, James? 73 00:07:51,820 --> 00:07:59,820 I'm doing great. I really appreciate you coming on and doing this. 74 00:07:59,820 --> 00:08:04,820 And we just heard Rescone the Cough which is a sneak peek for you. 75 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:06,820 Yeah. 76 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:22,820 And we'll get into that here in a minute. But I'm just, I'm thrilled that you came on because I'm fascinated by your writing as you know you and I, everybody else doesn't know this but you and I have had conversations now on and off for the better part of the year. 77 00:08:22,820 --> 00:08:32,820 And I'm thrilled that you are in this whole Bitcoin value for value space. And I want to talk about the work that you put out in 2020 and then 2022 and then how 78 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:36,820 different everything is now. 79 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:42,820 That last couple of songs you put out but just thank you for coming on, dude. 80 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:44,820 No, thank you so much for having me. 81 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:52,820 If you really are can't sing in phrases and often tells you if you have been my guiding light in this 82 00:08:52,820 --> 00:09:02,820 value for value, Bitcoin world leading me through the darkness and by the end telling me telling all the stuff that it's been very lovely. 83 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:08,820 All of these wacky people that are better now sending you Bitcoin and what and we'll get into that too. 84 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:14,820 But actually, you know, there's a bunch about you that I don't know. 85 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:21,820 I mean, you're down on the southern on the south eastern part of Australia. You're in Melbourne, right? 86 00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:31,820 Yeah, put the now for now. I grew up in country and south Wales and have been living in Melbourne, which is kind of Australia is a tub. 87 00:09:31,820 --> 00:09:37,820 I've been there for a couple of years, but I'm actually about to jet off to the Czech Republic. 88 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:45,820 I'm moving there with my partner and we're going to go and figure out what's happening in Europe for a while. 89 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:57,820 Now, where did your whole musical life start? Like did it start with piano lessons in the third grade with violin and in. 90 00:09:57,820 --> 00:09:59,820 I think or like where did start? 91 00:09:59,820 --> 00:10:11,820 I don't think this will surprise you that much. But I think for me it started when I got given a guitar when I was four or five and I immediately decided that I was going to be a rock star. 92 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:29,820 I was like, this is it. I'm going to be an ACDC or something. I'm going to sell out stadiums and just like since then, like since I was that little I've just been obsessed with the idea of making music my life in some way. 93 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:37,820 And I don't know, it's like obviously it's changed quite a bit since then. My relationship with music, but it's been pretty constant. 94 00:10:37,820 --> 00:10:47,820 I've always been the thing that I wanted to do. And then in my teen years, I realized that maybe I was more interested in writing songs than in shredding on the guitar. 95 00:10:47,820 --> 00:10:53,820 I don't know if I'm a stuff still doing a little bit of both, I guess. 96 00:10:53,820 --> 00:11:13,820 Yeah, well, I mean, your guitar skills are stunning. And I know that of course just having listened to and really enjoyed death of the closed-minded, which is your folding record that came out in 2022. 97 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:19,820 But did you come from a musical family or your parents' musicians? 98 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:31,820 Well, my granddad is a guitarist. And I go and remember as a little kid, he used to go and play folk songs in a cafe every other Sunday. 99 00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:39,820 I remember always going to that. And that was quite influential. But none of my immediate family in these musicians, but they are all artists. 100 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:49,820 My mom's a painter and that's a sculptor. And I've never always been very supportive and very excited that I'm doing anything creative. 101 00:11:49,820 --> 00:12:07,820 That's cool. My grandmother was a painter. And I've got a couple of her pieces. She's passed now 20 years, but just to have those pieces around of her. 102 00:12:07,820 --> 00:12:21,820 Yeah, it's such a wonderful memory. But I don't know what it's like having parents whose artistic sense is of a different medium. 103 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:31,820 Like, you know, with your dad being a sculptor and your mom being a painter. I'm sure conversations around the dinner table were interesting. 104 00:12:31,820 --> 00:12:41,820 It's interesting. I spent a lot of my 10 years and actually I've got an older sister and her medium is photography. 105 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:51,820 So I kind of was like everyone next to me was like these very visual arts oriented people. And I love visual art. I still love drawing and kind of still enjoy it. 106 00:12:51,820 --> 00:13:07,820 And so I've been kind of exposed to a lot of that world, but I was so I was such a typical teenager and then I was just like, oh yeah, like my family are artists, but I'm not that like I'm like the black sheep, like I'm a musician. 107 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:19,820 Like it's like totally different thing. Like I kind of, I spent a lot of time being like wanting to rebel by being a different type of creative person. 108 00:13:19,820 --> 00:13:31,820 Like silly as that is. So it wasn't until kind of I became more of an adult, I guess that we actually did have those conversations. 109 00:13:31,820 --> 00:13:46,820 And but I've kind of just realized that it's given me this like quite well rounded creative idea or like the I mean the position where I can kind of envision a wider thing than just the music. 110 00:13:46,820 --> 00:13:56,820 Like I already have kind of the tools and the sensibilities to think about more visual things that accompany the music that I'm making. 111 00:13:56,820 --> 00:14:03,820 Yeah. Yeah, your your visual palette is much broader, I would imagine. 112 00:14:03,820 --> 00:14:21,820 Then most people because of you've got your surrounded by sculptors and painters and photographers and you know the smart ass in me couldn't help but just think you know if you really wanted to rebel you should have like become a dentist. 113 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:24,820 I know. I know. 114 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:31,820 I'm going to be the insurance king of Melbourne, Australia. I'm going to piss off my sandwich. 115 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:37,820 I could have been the first feminist to have had an income like it would have been. 116 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:41,820 That would have been the ultimate revenge like. 117 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:48,820 Well, and thank you for letting me know how to properly pronounce your last name. 118 00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:54,820 Like every American, the ugly American syndrome, you know, Femistar, you know, sorry. 119 00:14:54,820 --> 00:14:59,820 Yeah, I'm just a master. All right. Got you. Got you. 120 00:14:59,820 --> 00:15:04,820 So I didn't mean to sneak that in the habit. You know, it's all good. 121 00:15:04,820 --> 00:15:07,820 It's all good. It's all good. 122 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:12,820 Yeah, that's, I mean, you know, I don't mind being told I'm wrong. It's all it's all good. 123 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:17,820 All right. So you got the guitar like four or five. 124 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:27,820 You started, you know, trashing local clubs. I'm assuming not long after that. What to, what, like tell me about your first band. 125 00:15:27,820 --> 00:15:39,820 Oh, yeah. Well, I actually didn't have a first band until I was 14 because I grew up in this small town in New South Wales called Yes, which, 126 00:15:39,820 --> 00:15:55,820 like no one at my school, I was the only person who had any interest in music that I knew like it was, I don't know, not an adult and obviously not concerned with the guitar practice of a six or seven year old. 127 00:15:55,820 --> 00:16:05,820 So I really didn't have any musical peers for a long time until I changed schools and I went to school in Canberra, which is the capital of Australia. 128 00:16:05,820 --> 00:16:29,820 And then finally when I went to school there, I joined the school band and I met which, we all know what school bands are like, but I did that and I met some actual musicians and from there, I think, I think my first band, I was actually playing the drums in and we were just playing horrible funk covers of like weather report and junk of the story as tunes. 129 00:16:29,820 --> 00:16:42,820 We were just like, so we thought it was just the coolest music ever and that was what we were doing, but it slowly transitioned to me on the guitar and deciding that I was going to do my own songs. 130 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:58,820 And my first band was just out of school and we were called Jack Fenester in the wine tasters and it was this three piece kind of, kind of more like my first record than this more recent stuff. 131 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:17,820 But kind of like a little bit psychedelic, a little bit surf rock. I was playing this telecaster that I got for $50 from a junk shop and just, yeah, like really dense chord structures, really quite primitive, leoricism. 132 00:17:17,820 --> 00:17:27,820 But the drummer that I was playing with is just this absolute monster, just constant stream of 16th notes, no matter what the tempo, kind of thing. 133 00:17:27,820 --> 00:17:36,820 Yeah, it's super fun. I just got straight into the trajectory that's led me to here. 134 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:44,820 Well, I can hear weather report and I definitely hear Jaco in the first four measures of setup. 135 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:54,820 Who, whoever is playing based on that when they hit the harmonics, I'm like, okay, yeah, I know what I'm getting into. 136 00:17:54,820 --> 00:17:57,820 Yeah. 137 00:17:57,820 --> 00:18:10,820 The first project you got, songs hastily prepared, which is a four song EP that came out in 2020 and then you've got the 10 song LP that came out in 2022. 138 00:18:10,820 --> 00:18:26,820 They are, and you and I have talked about this in email, they are vastly different than the three songs that you've released this year or even the one that we started the show with. 139 00:18:26,820 --> 00:18:28,820 Yeah. 140 00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:36,820 Talk to me about that, like, how has your writing process changed over the years? 141 00:18:36,820 --> 00:18:43,820 Yes, it's just that I'm a lot angry at now because I was making that music. 142 00:18:43,820 --> 00:19:00,820 I feel so, and like humorously, like constantly laughing at myself, and especially at the version of myself that was writing this latest collection of songs. 143 00:19:00,820 --> 00:19:28,820 I was so hard done by the world in my own estimation, like I guess that kind of was in some ways, but I was just so angry while I was writing this music and just really wanted to lash out at everything with unnecessarily verbose lyricism and just the absolute most abrasive guitar sounds that I could think of. 144 00:19:28,820 --> 00:19:42,820 I was just really like reaching for this kind of literati anger, like some sort of dusty of skin or Arthur rainbow kind of attack on society. 145 00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:55,820 But it kind of, it happened more slowly than that for me, obviously, because of like, I put that record that came out in 2022 was written and recorded in 2021. 146 00:19:55,820 --> 00:20:01,820 And then I just didn't have any idea what I was doing and it took ages to put it out. 147 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:18,820 But then it did come out eventually, but I'd already kind of started writing this new material. And a large thing was just that I had changed my listening from really focused in on kind of beautiful. 148 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:29,820 I guess slightly more folk oriented artists like Elliott Smith and Leonard Cohen and even Bob Dylan, I was listening to heaps of those three guys and I was writing death of the quote is minded. 149 00:20:29,820 --> 00:20:43,820 And then I kind of was steadily shifting towards this darker, more industrial, more poetic narrative music, like stuffed by Patty Smith and PJ Harvey and Nick K. 150 00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:50,820 Yeah, probably the biggest influence on Garret Lidiot. He's got a few bands, tropical fuckstorm and the drones and stuff. 151 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:51,820 I love that band. 152 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:54,820 I love, I love tropical fuckstorm. Yeah. 153 00:20:54,820 --> 00:21:04,820 He's really kind of the high water mark for me, like I just think his lyricism is our parallel than his storytelling. 154 00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:22,820 And so I've kind of just been emulating that a lot more and sunk into the depths of my psyche and done some research on bizarre, very specific stories of lawsuits in the 1870s. 155 00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:39,820 I mean, you were responding to, because like, if, I mean, my God, nocturn and black and gold, if I compare that to backwards sideways, which is backwards sideways, just floors me every time. 156 00:21:39,820 --> 00:21:47,820 And like, I don't know how the, the guitar part, the subtleness of your voice, the melody, all of it. 157 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:58,820 And don't get me wrong. Like, I love the new stuff too. And I think having known this progression that you've made, you remind me a lot of like Jeff Buckley. 158 00:21:58,820 --> 00:22:09,820 Like, I'm just, I'm just floored by the depth of your material, even though you quote unquote only have released roughly 17, 18 songs. 159 00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:23,820 So, I mean, were you reacting to COVID? Were you reacting to geopolitics? Were you reacting to the response you got from the first record? 160 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:28,820 Like what? Like, you took such a hard turn on these songs, dude. 161 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:42,820 Yeah, it, like, all those things of factors always like for, like, my, my writing process is a mystery event to me. 162 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:45,820 It is. It is. It is. 163 00:22:45,820 --> 00:22:55,820 It's, it's, it's really just like one of those things of like, no matter what you try and write about, you end up writing about what you're thinking about at the time. 164 00:22:55,820 --> 00:23:07,820 Most of, so, so I guess I haven't said this, but these, these three new songs, not turning black and gold, set up and Morgan and Raskolnikov, which we just played at the top of the show. 165 00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:21,820 That's half of a record that I've got coming out on all the conventional platforms, quite certain actually. And we're going to keep fading it into the podcasting together. 166 00:23:21,820 --> 00:23:27,820 You guys are going to hear it, but right on it's a record called eternal eternal. 167 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:31,820 And the love that you have. 168 00:23:31,820 --> 00:23:40,820 Yeah, like this, this whole kind of record, it's very, like, it gets quite political. 169 00:23:40,820 --> 00:23:46,820 It gets somewhat historical. It gets very poetic. 170 00:23:46,820 --> 00:23:51,400 some extreme use of language and lots of references 171 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,000 to cry and punishment like that song was called, "The Korv" 172 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000 to Greek myths in some of the other tracks. 173 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,840 Morgan is very referential of authorial legend 174 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,940 and a lot of Italian folklore. 175 00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:07,620 Like there's all these kind of very pretentious layers 176 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:10,220 to the songs, but for me at the heart of them 177 00:24:10,220 --> 00:24:12,360 they're all just very emotional, you know, 178 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:18,360 and the emotion is often displacement or rejection. 179 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:22,440 And like, yeah, in some ways it's like, 180 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,000 probably this kind of immature thing of like, 181 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,920 "Oh, I put my first record out and no one listens to it 182 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,080 and I'm not famous now or something," which like, 183 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,920 I don't know, it's hard not to feel that a little bit as an artist. 184 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,920 Like it's so easy to feel hard done by 185 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,920 because you're not getting the attention 186 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,760 that you feel like you deserve. 187 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760 So I'm not going to pretend that I don't feel like that. 188 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,400 But it's just as much. 189 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,640 It's good to admit that. 190 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,640 That's fair. 191 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,280 You're not alone in that. 192 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,800 Yeah, exactly. 193 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:03,400 And but it's really just as much about like my own relationships 194 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,880 that I was having at the time and kind of, 195 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,560 I moved to Melbourne, the city that I'd 196 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,520 romanticized for so much of my life 197 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,400 because it is where Nick Cave and the birthday party 198 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,960 and so many of my absolute idols were. 199 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,000 And like, there's this Melbourne scene 200 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,000 from the 70s and the 80s and the 90s, 201 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640 which is just so amazing. 202 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,760 And it's everything that I want to be a part of, 203 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080 but it doesn't exist anymore. 204 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,080 And so that was kind of like, 205 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,840 but like there's still a lot of great stuff happening in Melbourne, 206 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,680 but I kind of came here and was just so disappointed 207 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,320 that what I wanted wasn't here. 208 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,800 And so it was kind of like anger about that 209 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,040 and then feeling just kind of rejected 210 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,920 and displaced from what I wanted to be. 211 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,360 And it kind of just resulted in this very industrial, 212 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:04,360 aggressive rock music that I love to be a rock music. 213 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:07,880 Well, do you, like, there's a word that I have seen 214 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,240 and associated like when I look at certain websites 215 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,920 that your feature don't, and the word is mis-enthrope. 216 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,640 I mean, and I find it fascinating, 217 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,720 you know, like one of the labels I saw was like, 218 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,960 music for the modern mis-enthrope. 219 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,520 And it's, but that's a fun term. 220 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,840 It's also a real term. 221 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,840 And I think it's a fair term to use in today's day and age 222 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,720 when you think of, not just COVID, 223 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,720 but geopolitics and the environment and the economy as well. 224 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:54,320 But it's what, what, how do you associate the dichotomy 225 00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:01,320 with writing like that, writing with that label 226 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560 of being a mis-enthrope, 227 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000 but yet being an artist and knowing full well 228 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,680 that you need the public. 229 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,040 But, you know, to make a living like that. 230 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,320 I mean, that's a fascinating dichotomy. 231 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,440 To, I mean, to break it down very simply, people suck 232 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,080 and I'm gonna write about how people suck. 233 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,400 And I hope people like the fact that I write about people suck. 234 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,880 - That's exactly it. 235 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,080 And I've gotta say, it isn't more complicated than that. 236 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,920 Like, it should be like I shouldn't have like, 237 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,040 I feel like I need to have this like three-pronged approach. 238 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,640 I'm like, okay, well, people are asking about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 239 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,520 but it's really just, it's really just that I am kind of 240 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,040 quite mis-enthropic a lot of the time. 241 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,720 And I guess I'm just typing that I'll reach the right people 242 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,640 who are also quite mis-enthropic. 243 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,160 Like, you know, like I feel like, I don't know, I'm not, 244 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,800 I'm not making music that is for everyone. 245 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,360 And yeah, especially this new music, it could really is 246 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:11,160 kind of by design, pretty alienating. 247 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Like, it's something that you'll listen to and get 248 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,920 or you won't. 249 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,480 And I've kind of accepted that. 250 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,920 But yeah, so it's this kind of, 251 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,080 it's not very intelligent what I've done. 252 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,080 Like, I'm not, I'm not really, 253 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,560 I'm not necessarily selling thousands of records, 254 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,640 but it's, I don't know, it really is. 255 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,640 And like you said, in your very eloquent review of Nocturne, 256 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,640 it's kind of art for art's sake in more ways than one. 257 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:48,520 - Well, I appreciate that, but let me correct you on something. 258 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,880 You just said, you basically said that you don't believe 259 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880 that it was intelligent of you to do that. 260 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,800 And I can't, maybe not intelligent. 261 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400 - No, I wouldn't even, I wouldn't even go there. 262 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,320 I completely disagree with you. 263 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,840 I think it is very intelligent to do that. 264 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Don't confuse, you know, just be, 265 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 there's not a lot of commercial success behind something 266 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,600 now or ever. 267 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,520 Does not mean it's not intelligent. 268 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Does not mean the work doesn't have any value. 269 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,240 You know, I mean, I mean, 270 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,080 look at, look at Bach for God's sakes, 271 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,400 you know, like a lot, like all of his stuff was just work for hire. 272 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,040 - Yeah. 273 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,000 - You know, he probably thought Canon or, or not Canon, 274 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,960 that's Pocca Bell, but he probably thought a lot of his fuchs 275 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,400 and a lot of this organ stuff was like, 276 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,080 ah, you know, fuck it, it's Tuesday. 277 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,880 I gotta write this shit, you know? 278 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,360 (laughing) 279 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,000 But then look at it, now I'm not saying that, 280 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,680 hey, I hope your shit goes global after your dead, Jack. 281 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,680 That's not what I'm saying, but I have a lot of respect 282 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,120 for what you're doing because you are really diving deep into 283 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280 who you are as an artist and you don't give a shit 284 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,040 what people think about it. 285 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,800 You're searching for something within this whole 286 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,480 mis-enthrough theme and I think that there's a lot of tie-ins 287 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,000 with the art that you grew up with, not just the visual art 288 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,200 or the photography and the sculpting and the painting, 289 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,920 but with the books that you have obviously read 290 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,720 if you're writing about painters and London in the 1800s 291 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,440 and crime and punishment and all this other stuff. 292 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,560 - Yeah, no, it was official, like it's definitely, 293 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,920 and I think that that is really what it is. 294 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,920 Like for me, I'm making the stuff that I want the most to exist. 295 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,760 Like there are some, I think especially, 296 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,800 but you haven't heard yet, 297 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,520 but the first track on Eternal Eternal is called, 298 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,440 is This See Taken and it's kind of just my office. 299 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,960 Like I really, like, as kind of balsy as it sounds, 300 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960 I really don't think that anyone has ever made anything 301 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,280 that sounds like this song. 302 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,160 Like I think that it really is something completely else 303 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,200 than what other people are doing. 304 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,600 And I, like, it's siding. 305 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,360 Like it's so fun to find that 306 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,960 and it doesn't really matter to me if people love it. 307 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,960 It's kind of satisfaction enough to have made it, 308 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:43,960 to discover it, but hey, it'd be great 309 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,280 if people liked it as well. 310 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,720 But you know what? 311 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120 And I think that as long as you keep that, 312 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,480 like if you are making music for you, 313 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560 you are being true to yourself. 314 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:02,280 And the general public can sniff out bullshit 315 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,800 in authenticity, authenticity right away, right? 316 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,640 - Yeah, I mean, I think that, 317 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,400 like if I'm crazy and I'm just thinking something's cool, 318 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,280 probably other people will agree, you know? 319 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,880 Like this is good, like I'm not gonna make something 320 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,480 to try to like tailor someone's sensibilities 321 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080 other than my own because I don't actually understand 322 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,040 what makes them like something that they like, 323 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,840 but I understand what makes me like the things that I like. 324 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,120 So I'm gonna just keep making that stuff. 325 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,120 - Good. 326 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,360 That's what you should do. 327 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,880 You know, I mean, if you, because if you sit around, 328 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,160 you're like, well, it's Sunday morning, 329 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,040 I gotta write a top 10 song. 330 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,200 - Yeah, well, good luck. 331 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,360 That ain't good, you know? 332 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,040 I don't believe that that's the way it happens. 333 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,480 It only happens when you find your true artistic self. 334 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,800 The other thing I wanted to mention too, 335 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,520 'cause I was gonna ask you about the gig scene in Australia, 336 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,040 'cause I don't know, you know, 337 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,440 I don't know what that well. 338 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:12,440 But I hear the same thing about Nashville 339 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,160 that you have probably heard about Melbourne. 340 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,280 The magic is gone. 341 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:25,120 The only people that are here now are the bullshit artists. 342 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440 It's fake, it's plastic. 343 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,320 It's not the mud of a bunch of drunks playing, you know? 344 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,920 So, and I think that that's, 345 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,320 part of that is just the general passage of time, 346 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,720 just with any art scene anywhere, they come and go. 347 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,560 You know, they come and go. 348 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,480 - Well, are you, I mean, are you doing a lot of gigs 349 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,920 with a band around the area 350 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200 or are you just gonna wait until you get to Europe 351 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480 and kind of reach out to them? 352 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,040 - So yeah, like the last two years that I've been here, 353 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520 it took me a while to get set up, 354 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,560 but I did end up doing quite a lot of gigs, 355 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,960 well, I mean, like, a reasonable amount of gigs. 356 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,880 We were playing kind of every month 357 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,400 for pretty much the whole last two years, which was good. 358 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,760 And we did a couple of little runs out of town. 359 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,280 We went, like, played some hometown shows in Canberra 360 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 and then ran off to Sydney and Brisbane 361 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,480 a couple of times as well. 362 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,640 And yeah, like it's Melbourne probably does 363 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,200 as much as I, as much as I may rag on it. 364 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,360 I do kind of, I do love Melbourne, like, let it be said. 365 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,480 And Melbourne does honestly probably have 366 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,160 one of the best live music scenes in the world. 367 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,480 Like, there is, I live in Northgate 368 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,960 and there's this street that runs through Northgate 369 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,240 and up into some of the more Northern suburbs 370 00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:00,440 called High Street and it is the street 371 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,120 with the most music venues per capita on it in the world. 372 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,960 - Really? 373 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:12,280 - It's like a street that you walk 50 meters up High Street 374 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,960 and you've walked past two live music venues at least. 375 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,640 So just like the sheer, and they've all miraculously 376 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,320 survived COVID somehow as well. 377 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,080 So like just the sheer amount of music venues in Melbourne, 378 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,280 like there really is so many, and there are so many bands, 379 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,280 like the live music scene is just absolutely massive here. 380 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,120 But no one's making any money at the same time. 381 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,200 - Yeah. 382 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,360 - Like the live scene is really, really great. 383 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,440 But it's just kind of also, I think the biggest problem 384 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,920 with Melbourne and music industry is that there's just far more 385 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,000 musicians than there is industry. 386 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,760 Like there's kind of no opportunity 387 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,000 to be passed playing at just a slightly bigger pub. 388 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:10,720 It's like, okay, well, yeah, we've played this 15-cap band room 389 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,880 and now we're gonna play this one. 390 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,040 It's got a 30-cap and then a 50-cap. 391 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,600 And then eventually we'll play the Brunswick Ballroom 392 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,480 which is a 500-capacity room. 393 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,480 But then that's it, you know, 394 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,000 and like you haven't made any other opportunities 395 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,560 along the way, like you kind of still, 396 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520 you're in the opportunities to perform live. 397 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,320 It's really hard to ever get any money together to record anything 398 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,640 and there's no other opportunities like there's no other 399 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,680 live music scenes in other cities in Australia 400 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600 than compared to Melbourne. 401 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,240 So it's really hard to tour. 402 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,120 It's really expensive to talk with other cities 403 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,040 just so far apart from each other. 404 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,240 Like there's really just kind of, it's such a bubble. 405 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,000 Like you can kind of be happening in Melbourne 406 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,120 but it doesn't mean anything. 407 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,760 Well, the bands that are playing in Melbourne 408 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,720 are they playing cover tunes? 409 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,880 Are they playing originals? 410 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,720 Like what are those clubs like? 411 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,600 - It's probably like the biggest original music scene 412 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,600 that like it's enormous and like, that's really funny. 413 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,000 We've got this kind of city where I think 414 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,080 that there's two genres that are really popping off 415 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,320 at any one time and it's shifted a little bit now. 416 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,320 But when I moved here, it was like country music, Americana. 417 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,320 Like if it didn't sound like Patsy Klein, 418 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,680 it wasn't gonna get booked or like Jazzy House music 419 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,760 like people playing in the end but online instruments 420 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,080 were like these two things that were just absolutely going off 421 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,880 when I moved here and it was like, 422 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,400 oh you're doing like folk rock but not with like a country accent 423 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,880 but that's not gonna fly there. 424 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,400 Like you're not gonna get giggled at that. 425 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,040 - Yeah, just so funny. 426 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,040 But and yeah, these days there's like a huge kind of like 427 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,960 punk is really big at the moment kind of like, 428 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480 but like more like art punk kind of, 429 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,160 a bit more like, one of my saying, 430 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,600 yeah, like punk's really in like lots of bands 431 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,200 playing just like really catchy rock songs 432 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000 that last a minute and a half, that's massive. 433 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,880 And it's a complete oversaturation of original bands 434 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,640 and it's like it's awesome. 435 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,160 Let me like the musicianship, 436 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,080 the creativity is astronomical 437 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,040 but it's just couple so sad 438 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,640 because it doesn't really have very far to go. 439 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,640 - Is Melbourne where the majority of the high end 440 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,560 recording studios and the publishing companies 441 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,840 and the entertainment is based out of or is that up in Sydney? 442 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,840 - So it's, there's a lot of studios in Melbourne, 443 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,000 like heaps and heaps of studios 444 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,320 but most of the actual industry, 445 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,320 like most of the performance royalties and publishing 446 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,200 and labels and all that, most of like, 447 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,560 especially the bigger ones, 448 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,960 like if it's not on like the kind of independent level, 449 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,120 all the bigger ones are based in Sydney 450 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,640 and that's because Australia is like, 451 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,000 pretty much the entirety of the rest of Australia's creative 452 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,480 industries are in Sydney, like all of our film industries 453 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:34,480 in Sydney, most of the like higher level arts worlds 454 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,360 are centered around Sydney. 455 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,360 And so that's just like where all the big music stuff is as well. 456 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,120 So it's, yeah, this is like interesting separation 457 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,080 of all the artists are in Melbourne 458 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,000 and all the opportunities are in Sydney 459 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,840 but then if you, like I know some friends who, 460 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,400 I've got some friends who are musicians in Sydney 461 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,240 and they're kind of, they can't get a gig 462 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:03,360 because there's so few music venues. 463 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,560 So it's like you can't really, 464 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,640 like you can't really go and get any balls rolling in Sydney 465 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,200 to start and get noticed, like get into these opportunities 466 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,520 because there's just not actually the, 467 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,840 like infrastructure before then, 468 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,840 like you kind of need to. 469 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,240 Yeah. 470 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,360 What about way, I mean, I know Perth is on the other side 471 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,120 of the world for you guys, but what about it? 472 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,080 Oh, really? 473 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,920 Yeah, it's, yeah, because like Perth is like, 474 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,720 as far away as, like from Melbourne as New York to LA, 475 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,600 like, that is back far away and that is, 476 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960 yeah, that is New York to LA and then. 477 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,640 Yeah, oh, it's monstrous. 478 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,760 Yeah, it's like, and the thing is, 479 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,320 there's nothing in between. 480 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,320 Like, yes, but like, 481 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,320 there's nothing in between the two. 482 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560 And the, there's like beautiful scenery, 483 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960 but that's it, like there's, 484 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,760 there's really nothing in between the two. 485 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,640 Wow. 486 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,800 Yeah, I mean, people just don't realize how massive Australia is. 487 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,800 I mean, it's almost, it's almost as big as the lower 48 488 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:18,840 states here. 489 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,840 Yeah. 490 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,240 And you know, good, lower. 491 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,440 Yeah. 492 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,000 It's enormous and so, 493 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,360 spas, like, so like it really is like, 494 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,800 everyone lives on the east coast of Australia. 495 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520 Like, there's nothing anywhere else. 496 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,400 Like the Northern Territory has, 497 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,960 like, I think that I'm like, 498 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,760 I don't know, I'm not going back to myself 499 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,240 with my beautiful knowledge of Australia. 500 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:51,120 Like, of geography for your home country. 501 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,640 Yeah, look, like, just such a tiny amount of people live in 502 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,400 the rest of Australia. 503 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,120 Like, Western Australia is so, 504 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:07,000 so spasely populated, like, there's really no one there. 505 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,440 I get it. 506 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,280 No, I get it. 507 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,880 Yeah, I'm kind of zooming around Google Maps right now 508 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,160 on the, on the north end of Melbourne. 509 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,640 Looking around, Roxburg Park in Sumerton 510 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,560 and Epping in Mill Park in Bandura. 511 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,800 I'm sure they're all fun. 512 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,480 Oh, the industrialistates, those ones. 513 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,960 Beautiful, beautiful places. 514 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,160 I'm sure they're all, I'm sure they're all lovely neighborhoods. 515 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,080 So tell us, I mean, you kind of briefly mentioned 516 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,240 that you're, you're heading up with your partner 517 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,080 to the Czech Republic pretty soon. 518 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,640 Tell us a little bit more about that and what your plans are. 519 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,640 Yeah, it's, it's this amazing situation where, 520 00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:01,840 since I was a little kid, I mean, as, as you'd guess, 521 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,240 from being obsessed with music and having no peers 522 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,400 that were even remotely interested in it, 523 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:13,400 have inherited from that this just constant need 524 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,400 to always be somewhere else, like, like, 525 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,800 sit growing up in your house, 526 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,960 I just desperately needed to go and be somewhere, 527 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,760 where something else was happening. 528 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,320 Yeah, I went to school in Canberra, 529 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,560 and I lived there for a little bit, 530 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,600 and I just constantly needed to go and be somewhere bigger 531 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,520 and where there was more going on. 532 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,560 And then even being in Melbourne, which is, 533 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,080 which is a place that on paper totally ticks every box 534 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,520 my whole time being here, I've been looking to somewhere else 535 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,760 and I've always been totally, 536 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,440 as, as, like, probably most of, 537 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,440 like Western people are, just totally enamored by Europe. 538 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:57,720 And like, I went on a trip as a, as a kid, 539 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,720 we went to France, into the UK, 540 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,080 and I just totally loved it. 541 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,360 And I just kind of always wanted to go and live over there 542 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,040 and like, this totally, like, artistic society, 543 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,960 like, that's always the interpretation of it. 544 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,320 And so I've just been so desperate to go and do it. 545 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,640 And then meeting my partner, Adelaide, 546 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,920 she grew up in Prague, 547 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,600 and her dad lives there, he's a jazz saxophonist. 548 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:29,880 And so it was just perfect, this perfect excuse to go 549 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,560 and to do it. 550 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,720 So we're kind of going with not too many plans, 551 00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,400 like we're gonna go, we're gonna, 552 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440 we're gonna travel around for quite a bit. 553 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,600 I'm gonna hopefully get, like, work in Travel Visa 554 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,400 and just kind of, 555 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,160 bum around from place to place, 556 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,600 sounds everything out. 557 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,240 And then the idea is to figure out where we wanna be 558 00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,800 and settle down somewhere with a scene 559 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,040 that we wanna get a part of. 560 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,920 So, like, whether that's Berlin or Vienna 561 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,720 or even London or something, 562 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,240 like, we'll, we'll kind of just figure it out 563 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:08,240 and just keep it a bit loose. 564 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,160 Is your partner and artist as well? 565 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,120 I mean, her, you said that. 566 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,600 And by the way, thank you for properly saying 567 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,320 saxophonist, that is the proper term. 568 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,560 Is she an artist as well? 569 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,520 - She actually is, she's a, 570 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,720 she's just honestly incredible songwriter. 571 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,720 She's got this, she's just finishing a third record 572 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:34,080 but she's got two out. 573 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,400 We met because I heard her first album in Austin 574 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,480 to play a gig that I was organizing. 575 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:45,960 And she's, she's got two incredible records out. 576 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,160 She does it all herself. 577 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,560 She's like, never had a band, never, never wanted to bother 578 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,560 with the personalities that come with that. 579 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,560 She's got very, very parallel to me in a lot of ways. 580 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:07,520 Like lots of just very intricate songwriting, 581 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,720 her productions are so good. 582 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,640 I can't sing at prices and not the music song 583 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,240 under Adelaide the Girl if you. 584 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,080 - Yeah. 585 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,640 - Yeah, I was saying, she's some stuff, James. 586 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,360 - Yeah, we got to get her into, 587 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,440 we got to get her into the whole Bitcoin thing. 588 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360 - Yeah, I've been talking to her about it. 589 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:34,360 She's one of those kind of reluctant to 590 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,400 - Fair enough. 591 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,000 - To push out into anything. 592 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,640 She just really likes making music 593 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,280 but we'll get her in. 594 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,600 - No, thanks. 595 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,720 - Well, hey, I know, I mean, 596 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,480 I know you're really new into this whole Bitcoin thing 597 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,280 and I see you jumping around on, 598 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:52,960 you know, we've gotten in the fountain, 599 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,320 we've gotten in the noster, 600 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,360 like, you know, I know it's early for you 601 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,560 but like, what's your take on it? 602 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,080 Like, you know, when you see your songs pop up 603 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,920 in these podcasts and people are like sending you, 604 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,800 even if it's 10 cents or a buck, 605 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,560 like, what's your take on it? 606 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:18,520 - It's just like amazingly refreshing is like the first thing. 607 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,360 It's like, literally from, 608 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,000 I've also been so distracted. 609 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,400 Like, it's kind of been in this, in opportune time 610 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,000 where the last couple months of my life 611 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,360 have been complete chaos 612 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,040 because literally moving overseas in three weeks. 613 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,440 - Okay. 614 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,480 - So it's just like being this like quite, 615 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,680 I've been so distracted in whatever, 616 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,440 like, kind of, and you've been amazing 617 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,320 and helps me out a lot. 618 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,520 But it's this like super refreshing thing 619 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,520 where like the community is so excited 620 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,840 and even though it's comparatively small, you know, 621 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,840 like the user base of like a fountain or whatever, 622 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:05,120 doesn't, doesn't compare it all to Spotify or musical, 623 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,120 whatever, but that's kind of a good thing. 624 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,480 Like, it's been, like, it was kind of amazing. 625 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,480 Nocturnal black and gold, this like six minute drony, 626 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,120 like, whiny song, that's about some very, 627 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,960 (laughs) 628 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:23,960 - It's like a bizarre subject matter 629 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,960 that's not really relevant to anyone except maybe me. 630 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,280 (laughs) 631 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,240 At one point it was like number 10 on the, 632 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,600 - Yeah, that's it. 633 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,680 - Those blue charts or whatever, which is just crazy. 634 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,000 Like, it's like, that's just a crazy thing. 635 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,000 I've literally already made more money 636 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,000 from these three songs being in the value of a value world 637 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:53,360 than I ever made from my first record on Spotify, you know? 638 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,480 Like, it's kind of, I just see a million of it. 639 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,360 Like, it's awesome of this, like, this direct line 640 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,760 from the artist to the listener. 641 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:05,600 - Yeah. 642 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,600 - You can easily open. 643 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,960 And like, I'm excited to see where it goes. 644 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,560 Like, I wonder if that will change somewhat 645 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:18,200 as the platform grows or it will be like, but, um, 646 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,280 yeah, I think that's just something I'm very, 647 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,120 very excited to be invited along the ride for. 648 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,600 - Yeah, man, I think you're, 649 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,400 I think you're really gonna do great in here. 650 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,680 And I know you've had some publishing issues 651 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,520 in the past of trying to reclaim back your old songs. 652 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,520 - Yeah, which one? 653 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,360 - Which one? 654 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,600 - But I think like, to get all of your shit up in here, 655 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,600 and, you know, to kind of use fountain as a way to create 656 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,080 a playlist of all your tracks and to be pinging people out. 657 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,080 And, and to take all of these sats and to, you know, 658 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,720 you can think of it as like a savings account 659 00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:04,760 for later on in life or when you and Adelaide 660 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,320 are kicking around Europe and, you know, 661 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,400 you've got money coming in and you get Albie Wallet 662 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,920 and you run into other Bitcoiners like, 663 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,000 shit, man, life's easier that way, right? 664 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,160 - Exactly. 665 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,480 - Yeah, well, I'm just thrilled you're here doing it. 666 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,480 - It's really good. 667 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,600 - You know, you get out of it exactly what you put in. 668 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,920 And I know you've been really busy and, and, 669 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,800 but as you get deeper and deeper into it 670 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,080 and I find out more stuff and points in the right direction, 671 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,840 hopefully it'll just keep going up for you. 672 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,920 But, and, and the community of people who are here, 673 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,480 you're right, it is early, it is small. 674 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,160 But they dig the heavier tunes, man. 675 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,880 Like, you know, I think it's all, 676 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,280 I think probably because like the majority of these folks 677 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560 are all, are all developers right now 678 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,480 and they're, they're, they're toiling away 679 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,400 behind the computer, right, and code, right? 680 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,200 And they just, and they want that good, 681 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,960 mis-enthrough rock. 682 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,880 (laughs) 683 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,720 - Yeah. 684 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:07,720 - So, no, yeah, it's, it really is, 685 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:12,320 and I, and I really need to get more active 686 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,320 and I need to get on Nostom, 687 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000 while I really start connecting with everyone properly. 688 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,600 But I'm like it has been a, 689 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,080 just remarkably inviting experience, you know? 690 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,360 Like there are some of the things that you do as a, 691 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,640 as a songwriter, as opposed to trying to put your music out there 692 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,200 that make you just feel so alienated, you know? 693 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,080 Like you write, write all these pitches 694 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,960 and send them to blogs and to radio presenters and all this stuff. 695 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,680 And you just, at the end of the, just feel like some weird monkey, 696 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,640 you know, like you just, they're all, what am I, 697 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,320 what am I doing any of this for it? 698 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,600 Like I don't feel like a person, whereas like, 699 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:54,320 at least for me, so far, it felt very observed 700 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,320 as an actual person, as an actual entity in this world, 701 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,040 not as just some words on a screen, 702 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,600 by this, by this, by this community, 703 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,240 which is so nice, so refreshing. 704 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,800 Well, and I would encourage you to use Noster 705 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,720 as you guys get ready to go to Europe. 706 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:18,560 Like reach out, but, you know, see who's in the Czech Republic 707 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,320 that's on there, you know? 708 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,640 Like make some contacts, like, you know, 709 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,200 'cause it's a pretty small community right now. 710 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,040 Like I wouldn't be surprised if somebody's, you know, 711 00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:33,040 like if Derek, or Kyron, or somebody is listening to this, 712 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,520 and they go, oh yeah, I know so and so in Czech 713 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,360 and they tag you in Noster and you're like, boom, okay, 714 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:41,960 there we go, you know, you got a contact. 715 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:43,560 So use it for sure. 716 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,920 I mean, the Bitcoin, you know, even though you're brand new 717 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,240 to Bitcoin, like, it's a tight community 718 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,400 and every, you know, and people look out for each other. 719 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:59,360 So as we start to wrap this up, 720 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,200 and we'll play Morgan to end the show. 721 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,800 Excellent. 722 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,640 I wanted to just, as I always love to do, 723 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,760 I always wanna ask a couple of fun questions. 724 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:20,080 So tell me if radio head or tropical fox storm 725 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:26,720 was going to cover one of your songs, which one would it be? 726 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,480 - Oh man. 727 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,320 I'm gonna say, I would actually just so, so much love to hear 728 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:44,120 tropical fox storm, just utterly destroy one of my songs 729 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,440 from the first record. 730 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,040 (laughing) 731 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,880 - Yeah, like it's just love them. 732 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,720 - Cluster. 733 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,120 - Cluster. 734 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,520 - Cluster could be like some weird radio head, 735 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,880 like King of Looms era sort of thing actually. 736 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:04,880 But like I just think that like gas taking a shreddy guitar solo 737 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,920 in the bridge of Backwood sideways would be the best thing 738 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,520 out of all the other things that would be so good. 739 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,760 - Yeah, okay. 740 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,400 - Yeah, I'd love to hear that. 741 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,240 Not more than anything. 742 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,640 - Okay, another fun question. 743 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:25,440 Give me a, give me like a dirty secret, 744 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,280 like, oh, what's the phrase that I always use? 745 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,280 Like favorite song, favorite band that nobody would ever 746 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:43,560 think that you actually like, like, you know, like for me, 747 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,080 it's like, like I love a good, I love a good spice girl song, 748 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,480 dude, like, you know, I love a good pure pop song. 749 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,560 I'm not gonna bash it, right? 750 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,720 - I'm, I'm gonna say, 751 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,480 are you on a grand as records, wait, no? 752 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,160 I adore, I think it's so good. 753 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:07,080 I think a lot of people are saying that to quite surprise, 754 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,000 I just reckon it's an amazing record. 755 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,600 - Yeah, I'm not doing that. 756 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,880 - What do you think about the new, about the new single, 757 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,760 yes, and what do you think? 758 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,800 - I haven't, I haven't heard anything that she's done 759 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,120 after, thank you next. 760 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,120 - Oh, really? 761 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:23,960 - Okay. 762 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:28,040 Like, I wanna check out that new record, 763 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,440 'cause it's like, Adelaide was telling me 764 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,040 it's like this very like 90s club saying influence thing, 765 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,320 which I'm pretty interested in. 766 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,240 I'm like, intrigued to say what she's done with it, 767 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:39,720 but I'm just haven't listened to it yet. 768 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:44,160 - Her voice, my God. 769 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,080 - I know, she's just got. 770 00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,360 - Can you imagine what the insurance policy is 771 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,400 with Lloyds of London for that voice? 772 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,400 Like, 773 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,160 - Oh my God. 774 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,000 - Right? 775 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,080 - Like, 500 million dollars coverage. 776 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,080 - I would imagine. 777 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,760 - Yes, just, just a standing. 778 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:09,160 - Be honest, how many times did you go 779 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,640 to the Taylor Swift Error's tour in Australia last month? 780 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,080 (laughing) 781 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,000 - I didn't think it. 782 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,840 I wouldn't have loved to have gone, 783 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:23,360 but it was a fiscally irresponsible decision for me, 784 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,800 but Adelaide went and loved it, 785 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,520 and I was actually really jealous. 786 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,360 - Yeah. 787 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,760 Well, that's good. 788 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,600 That's fair. 789 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:36,680 I've seen her in concert three times. 790 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,120 I did not go to this recent tour, 791 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,560 the last tour that I saw was the reputation. 792 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:48,240 And my God, that was like the best stadium show I've ever seen. 793 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,080 - Yeah. 794 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,960 - Like it was, yeah, just, yeah. 795 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,560 I'm just obsessed with the spectacle of it. 796 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,240 It's like, just like, so, 797 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:59,600 like it would just be so cool to be in a position 798 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,880 where you could present your art in that way. 799 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,880 Just like, yeah, I could just like do whatever I want 800 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,880 on like the biggest stage imaginable. 801 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,440 Like, it's so, 802 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,280 it's so cool. 803 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,320 Like, I'm so glad that someone's doing it. 804 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,600 - And they really, she really has the benefit 805 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,600 of technology too in terms of what you can do 806 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,480 with the visuals, with the cameras. 807 00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,520 And like, 'cause I remember, 808 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,880 I saw the who at my college stadium 809 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,880 in Boulder, Colorado in like 90, right? 810 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,400 - Yeah. 811 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,320 - And my brother and I went, 812 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,280 and we were all the way the fuck in the back. 813 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,160 And like, there's just like two little, 814 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,680 two little screens down there. 815 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,360 And nowadays, 816 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,680 nowadays stadium shows are totally different. 817 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,080 Sound is better, vision is different, lights are, 818 00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,080 everything's better. 819 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,920 So, 820 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,280 - Yeah, they really get the point, 821 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,640 they can be enjoyed from any stage, you know? 822 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,400 - Yeah, yeah, exactly. 823 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,000 Well, sir, 824 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,360 really appreciate you coming on the show. 825 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,200 We're gonna, 826 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:16,200 we're gonna go out with Morgan, tell us about the song. 827 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,960 - This one is, 828 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,320 one of the, 829 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,080 I think this is my favorite song that I've ever written, 830 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,640 to be honest. 831 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:29,640 It's kind of, 832 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,680 it has a lot of references to like, 833 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,720 myth and folklore. 834 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:36,560 It's not important, 835 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,280 you don't need to know anything about it, 836 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,640 but basically Morgan is this temp dress, 837 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:43,800 she's like a siren, 838 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,240 she's the, 839 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,360 there's demon of the mischievous stretches, 840 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,680 like an evil fairy, 841 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,640 and I thought we're in a legend or whatever. 842 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,640 And it's basically a song, 843 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,760 kind of about my relationship with Melbourne, 844 00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,680 kind of about a lot of other things as well, 845 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,520 but it's about a person or a place kind of seducing you 846 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,280 and inviting you along into this kind of world 847 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:11,000 that you realize ultimately is a horrible place 848 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,600 that you don't wanna be a part of. 849 00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:18,640 And just kind of the absolute torment 850 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,480 of being in that situation. 851 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,080 But then, 852 00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,040 and then in the end, maybe you become Morgan, 853 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,760 you know, like maybe, 854 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,040 maybe we all turn into Morgan if we don't escape, 855 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,920 like maybe that's kind of the part that we take. 856 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,400 So, 857 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,040 yeah, that's Morgan. 858 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,720 I hope that you'll enjoy it if you're listening. 859 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,880 It's been an absolute pleasure to be on 860 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,520 the Phantom Power Outer Star with James. 861 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:45,880 Thanks so much for having me, man. 862 00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,720 It's always so fun to talk to you. 863 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920 - I always love catching up with you, dude, 864 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,720 and I hope to meet you in person one day. 865 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,240 - Yeah, we stick around, 866 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,200 we'll stick around, we'll talk in the green room, 867 00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,600 but here it is, this is another misent rope 868 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,640 by the favorite son of Yaz, 869 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,560 new South Wales, Mr. Jack Femister. 870 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,640 That's right. 871 01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,560 Jack Femister on the Phantom Power Outer Star. 872 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:13,400 Thanks, buddy. 873 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,240 - Thanks so much. 874 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,820 (upbeat music) 875 01:00:16,820 --> 01:00:26,560 ♪ Morgan's soul is down the river ♪ 876 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,640 ♪ Just to me, yeah ♪ 877 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,600 ♪ No one was in reach when I was with her ♪ 878 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,440 ♪ She put a hand up on my shoulder ♪ 879 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,920 ♪ And I floated like a sinner ♪ 880 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,840 ♪ So I've laid on the horizon ♪ 881 01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,320 ♪ And pretty bit was violent, I kissed her ♪ 882 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:55,320 ♪ Morgan's soul glided to a kingdom ♪ 883 01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:03,120 ♪ I felt like we were flying in a sail to where we've done ♪ 884 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,120 ♪ All the sirens were siling to listen to listen ♪ 885 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:15,520 ♪ Morgan begged us not to leave her like we ever could be ♪ 886 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,120 ♪ She took my life to peace ♪ 887 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,120 ♪ She probably stuck all the way again ♪ 888 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:27,120 ♪ Like the land that first fought from a quadrant young again ♪ 889 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:32,120 ♪ But no one out of the world was when I threw my fragment scene ♪ 890 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,040 (upbeat music) 891 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:40,040 ♪ And my flesh is all in this room still swimming in ♪ 892 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:44,000 ♪ I remember the morning ♪ 893 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:52,120 ♪ Yeah, I was busy falling in the morning ♪ 894 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:57,360 ♪ I heard it from all I was up in ♪ 895 01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,080 ♪ I heard a photographic mobs of the bulb and now I see ♪ 896 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,660 (upbeat music) 897 01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:19,000 ♪ Oh, so many requirements ♪ 898 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:26,880 ♪ She made all sorts of journeys been abreast through a stomach ♪ 899 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,040 ♪ She just stopped at doing so weird really ♪ 900 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:38,560 ♪ All been Morgan and found here is my head ♪ 901 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,560 ♪ She was singing, singing, singing, boom my tongue ♪ 902 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:50,200 ♪ What's fine after the whizz of an ocarina town ♪ 903 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:55,200 ♪ I fed her my whole soul she told me this place could be out ♪ 904 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:03,280 ♪ But next thing the world was hung over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over now ♪ 905 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:18,280 ♪ But I stole class sheet and died in light ♪ 906 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:24,680 ♪ With all the beauty of a world that lives at me ♪ 907 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,280 ♪ But on cross with inspection there's nothing in nothing inside ♪ 908 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,280 ♪ So long time's of the wind and all this bring all the way ♪ 909 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:43,280 ♪ Oh, Morgan's just my precious picture ♪ 910 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:50,280 ♪ It starts to get a little bit less liquid in the room ♪ 911 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:56,280 ♪ To do my thing much worse is to get the hurt, get the hurt, get the hurt ♪ 912 01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:01,280 ♪ And then she's that she's that she is that she is that she is ♪ 913 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,280 ♪ I think we're alive like you're naked night ♪ 914 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:12,280 ♪ The people in places that frighten night ♪ 915 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,280 ♪ I screamed like you're crying ♪ 916 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,280 ♪ The only love, the only love, the only love ♪ 917 01:04:18,280 --> 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