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Hey everybody, welcome back.

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This is Phantom Power Artist Hour,

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episode 12, episode 12.

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And I'm really excited to share this conversation

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that I had with you guys.

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Today I'm talking to Nate, Jonathan.

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Nate, you can find his music over on Wave Lake.

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He's one of the most prolific artists out there.

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He's got a bunch of bands, drawing monsters,

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death by lions, monkey robot war, red arrow highway,

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and he's also got a host of solar material.

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I love his voice, I love his lyrics.

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He's probably my favorite artist in the space,

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so I was really excited to get him on the show.

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And we have a really great conversation

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where we talk about all of that as well as value

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for value and playing in bands and all that fun stuff

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that musicians these days are running into.

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So I'm gonna shut up.

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We're gonna play one of his solo tracks here called Time,

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and then we will bring him on for the show.

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You got your wallets ready?

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You ready to boost it?

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You ready to send Nate some sats?

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Let's do it.

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Here we go.

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Set 'em not lying just saying nothing.

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You wouldn't understand anyway.

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Well, if we're lying just giving into bluffing,

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I guess I only have one thing to say.

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♪ These three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Just a matter of time before we all go ♪

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♪ At my funeral, just say goodbye ♪

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♪ Try to look to your future when you walk outside ♪

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♪ Leave me in the timeline back where I belong ♪

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♪ I had so much fun with all of you ♪

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♪ I got more out of life than I expected to ♪

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♪ So no need to be sad, I'm just returning to ♪

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♪ There's nothing that I came from ♪

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♪ Three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Three days gonna be just trying to make me happy ♪

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♪ Just a matter of time before we all go ♪

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♪ You said I'm not lying just saying nothing ♪

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♪ You wouldn't understand anyway ♪

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♪ You said I'm not lying just returning to nothing ♪

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♪ You'll understand someday ♪

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- All right, that is the single time by Nate Johnovan

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and Nate is kind enough to join us on the line.

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- Well hello, there, Jim.

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- What's up, buddy?

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How are you?

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- I'm doing great.

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You know, I'm up here in Michigan,

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and it's just now becoming warm,

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and we're coming out of this winter funk.

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You can see it on people's faces out there.

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It's incredible, people start smiling a little bit more.

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Have you ever lived somewhere where you get

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bitter cold for a few months?

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- Not Michigan cold.

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I grew up in Denver.

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- And I mean, it's snow's, I think it's cold,

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but it's also like in Denver,

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it's 300 days a sunshine a year.

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Saturday night, seven inches, and then Sunday afternoon,

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it's 60 degrees and it's all cold.

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- Gorgeous, yeah.

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- No, it kind of feels like we've been living in a cave

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for about three months,

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and everybody's just kind of coming out

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and ever looking at each other weird,

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but yeah, just overall good vibes going on right now

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up here in Michigan.

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- Nice trees are budding or starting to,

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well, I think--

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- Yeah, they're thinking about it.

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- Yeah, they're not sure.

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It could change on a dime up here.

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- Yeah, the flowers are starting to pop out down here

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in Nashville, but then the deer come in and eat them all.

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- I mean, they gotta eat.

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- That's true.

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I'm really excited to talk to you.

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I mean, I've been in this space now for--

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- Well, thank you.

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I've been in this space now for about eight months,

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and I've listened to hundreds and hundreds of artists

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and bands.

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I gotta tell you, dude, like, you know that,

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I mean, for the sake of disclosure,

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of course my daughter has music in this space.

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But I gotta tell you, dude, you're probably my favorite artist

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in this space.

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I'm just absolutely blown away.

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- That means so much to me.

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I really appreciate that.

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I just keep making and making and making.

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Like I tell my kids, I say it all the time,

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they don't create much, but I say ABC, always be creating.

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And I don't know, it was about 10 years ago or so.

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I had this realization that I'm not gonna be here forever

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and I got all these ideas in my head

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and I better get them out.

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'Cause I don't wanna be on my deathbed going,

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oh, I wish I would have done more.

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And so that just started this avalanche of music.

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And I never really had the intention to put it out

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or really do anything with it.

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But then the streaming services came along

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and it became a little bit more easy.

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And now with this wave lake and all of this,

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it seems just like a more,

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it's exciting to me.

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It's, with Spotify and those,

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you are definitely a drop in an ocean.

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It's really hard for people to find you.

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You're really just circulating around family and friends

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and maybe some random person in Belgium

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will get fed it through an algorithm or something.

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- How in the hell do you find the time

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to put all this out?

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'Cause let's go over the names of the projects that you have.

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Like we opened with time, which is a solo track from you.

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But you've also got a band called Drawing Monsters.

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You've got a band called Red Arrow Highway.

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You've got a band called Death by Lions.

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You've got a band called Monkey Robot War,

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which is probably the greatest name in the value verse.

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- Thank you.

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We've had issues with that one.

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We had one band that wouldn't let us on the bill

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because they thought that name was too odd.

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What the hell?

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- I know, but their name was something terrible.

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I can't remember.

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There was some national act

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and I guess I won't call them out on here.

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But yeah, that band is a syncyc stink

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and kind of reformed into,

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or some of the members reformed into Red Arrow Highway.

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So I really have like three projects going now.

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Drawing Monsters kind of went away.

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COVID was, COVID was rough on music for a while there.

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- And on bands.

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So now I have Red Arrow Highway.

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We've got Death by Lions and then if I'm writing a song

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and it doesn't seem to fit in either one of those,

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I will try and make it myself.

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That's a little bit more time consuming.

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'Cause I love the process that we have right now

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with both bands.

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With Red Arrow Highway, my buddy Justin sits at his house

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and he composes all the music

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and sends me over a logic file.

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We do everything in logic on Apple.

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And so I get it, I can open it up

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and then I just start adding vocals over the top of it.

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Sometimes it can be three hours and we're done

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and we're rolling onto the next one and...

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- That's my line.

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- Yeah, it's crazy.

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Just its stream line so much.

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And then Death by Lions is the same way.

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My buddy Brian and Wes write all the music

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and then they send me over a file

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and I write over the top of it

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and then we have band practice once a week.

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And that's just fun, you know?

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and start practicing the songs that we just wrote.

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So it's different when I was in high school,

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we were getting a garage and bang it out for eight hours

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and maybe come out with one minute of usable material.

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- No, it's just, yeah, it's so much easier.

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Now that everything's cheaper and...

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I don't know, or maybe we're just getting older

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so we're able to get nicer mics and interfaces

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and all that stuff.

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- Yeah, day jobs help with that.

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Well, let's go back to the beginning

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of your musical career because definitely,

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playing in high school bands is invaluable.

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You're doing something with respect

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to writing lyrics and writing melodies over the music

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in a non-traditional way.

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But take us back to the beginning,

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where did you start playing music?

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How did you get into it?

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- Oh, those are two different questions, I think.

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I will tell you the first concert I ever saw.

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It was a game changer for me.

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I mean, I didn't know what I was gonna be

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when I got older, but I went and saw smashing pumpkins

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on the Simeez Dream tour.

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And it was like the first time I went to something like that

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with just friends, you know?

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- Yeah, and I lose my group

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and I'm standing in the middle of this huge crowd.

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And I don't remember the opening act at all,

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but I do remember the lights went out in the arena.

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They had us.

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This is how I remember it.

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This might not have even happened.

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But a spotlight comes down onto the drums

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and Billy Corgan, they must have had a trampoline

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or something behind the drums.

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He comes flying over the drums,

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hits the ground and goes, (humming)

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and I lost it, it was like my brain melted,

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and I was done, I just knew that that's exactly

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what I wanted to do in any capacity

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for the rest of my life.

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So that sparked music, and then my dad always played,

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and he wrote songs for church and stuff,

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and he wound up getting a 4 track,

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one of those old Fostek 4 tracks,

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and he put the cassette tape in,

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and he could not figure out how to use it.

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So it just kinda sat there, (laughs)

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and I asked him one day if I could use it,

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and he's like, "Yeah, I get this thing away from me,

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it's driving me nuts."

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And so I had that in my room,

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and at that point I couldn't even really play any instruments,

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but we just kinda had 'em laying around the house,

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so I would part around with 'em,

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and wound up with a drum machine at one point,

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and I figured out if you put that drum machine track

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into the 4 track and flipped over the tape,

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it would make this really cool,

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like industrial backwards.

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- Look at you.

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- Yeah, you know, and so I didn't really have to know

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how to make music, to make music like that.

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- It's kinda like that.

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- It's kinda like the drum loop for "Staying Alive,"

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like if you know the story behind that.

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- No, did they do that?

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- That drum loop for "Staying Alive,"

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you can go on YouTube and look it up.

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Like they were bouncing tape back and forth around the room.

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Like they took a two-bar phrase,

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they took a two-bar phrase, and then looped it,

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via tape machines.

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This is pre-sample, pre-logic,

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and it's stunning what they did.

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And in many respects, and the Beastie Boys did it too,

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Adam, the guy--

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- That would never remember that.

264
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- Yeah, it's the exact same theory.

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So you're a--

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- So you sir are a tinkerer, you.

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- Oh, you got no idea.

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- Yeah, if I think I can do it myself,

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I will do it every time.

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Which at some point, this whole studio I'm in right now,

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will probably burn down,

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'cause I did the electrical myself.

273
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I'm no clue what I'm doing.

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But it's not a contractor, man.

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I'm just--

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- Oh, if a contractor came in here,

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they would ask me to leave.

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Yeah, so I started with that four track,

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and I just-- I loved it, and got myself a bass guitar

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after a while, and learned that, as well as I could,

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and then I figured I needed a couple more strings,

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so I got a little electric too.

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And I started playing in bands,

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and I just--

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I fell in love with the recording process, though.

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There's something just magical about getting something

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out of your mind,

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and onto something that you can share with other people

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that you don't have to recreate every time.

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And I still--

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we play shows, but I get very anxious about them.

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So recordings like the perfect way to--

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you can check it before it goes out.

294
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You know what I mean?

295
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And there's no technical difficulties,

296
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or two drunk people spilling on your equipment,

297
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or whatever else happens that is so.

298
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- I mean, you're such a proficient rider,

299
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and your performance on tape is solid.

300
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It's intriguing.

301
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Why are you anxious about doing gigs?

302
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- Maybe anxious isn't the right word I apologize, but--

303
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- No, it's absolutely the right word,

304
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and I think it all stems from,

305
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I'm worried that I'm gonna forget lyrics.

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There's so many bounce around up there

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that I will forget every once in a while,

308
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and then there's-- I don't know your history.

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Have you played live shows?

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And yes, okay, that fades to me.

311
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- I got four years on the road, dude.

312
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- Oh, yeah.

313
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- I got more gigs than I can remember,

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and I've been so lucky.

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Like I've played like the largest crowd I played

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in front of was probably--

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it was about 400,000 that I could see.

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- Whoa.

319
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- But then, and I've done all types of gigs.

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I've done the church gigs, I've done the public gigs,

321
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I've done, the only thing I love to joke,

322
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the only gig I haven't done,

323
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like I haven't done a bar mitzvah at a gas station.

324
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Like, that's the only gig I haven't done.

325
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- You never combined those two, yeah.

326
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But I'm sure it's coming, right?

327
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Maybe not, I'm trying to see, but so, you know.

328
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- Yeah, now that you put it out there.

329
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- Yeah, but yeah, I know it's all just anxiety about

330
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getting up there and blanking out.

331
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I've definitely done that before,

332
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and there's nothing like just standing there

333
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and the crowds looking at you and you're looking at them,

334
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and I'm like, I'm just begging them with my eyes

335
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to just tell me what's next.

336
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- Yeah, you're gonna be with somebody, help me.

337
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- Yeah.

338
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- But recently it's gotten a lot better,

339
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and I figured out that if I just practice,

340
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andcessantly, and I'll even take all the tracks,

341
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and without vocals and make playlists for myself,

342
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and listen to them in the car, and when I'm on the lawn,

343
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and doing electrical work, or whatever,

344
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I just constantly going over it,

345
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and then when I get on stage, if that thought comes up,

346
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hey, you're not gonna remember what's coming up next,

347
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it always, it pops back in there,

348
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right when I need it to, usually.

349
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But yeah, I still nerve-wracking.

350
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- Well, yeah, and I get it, I mean, for some people it is,

351
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I know Steve Hackett, who was one of the guitar players

352
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for Genesis, one of the reasons why he quit the band,

353
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and left the band is 'cause of that anxiety.

354
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- Yeah, and I can't even imagine shows like that.

355
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And we're talking, I'm playing for like two or three people,

356
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somebody.

357
00:16:55,980 --> 00:16:59,940
- Yeah, you've brought up your lyrics twice now,

358
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once in a time, the completed music is sent to you,

359
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and you put the lyrics on top,

360
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or then you also referenced your concern about

361
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forgetting them on stage.

362
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I have to tell you what draws me in to your music,

363
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the reason why I am such a fan of what you do is twofold.

364
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Number one, your voice stands out.

365
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Like, I can tell right away, it's you.

366
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And by the way, as a funny little sidebar,

367
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I was having a great chat about music with Michael Reeve

368
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from Waveling.

369
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And Mike and I were sitting there going through everybody

370
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on Waveling, and we're like, oh yeah, this guy's great,

371
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this guy's great.

372
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And then, and I remember telling Michael,

373
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I'm like, yeah, and have you heard of this band

374
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and as a joke, I'm like, yeah, it's probably a Nate

375
00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:54,060
Johnathan project, like that dude's got a lot of shit up here,

376
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right?

377
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And sure enough, it was you.

378
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- Oh, nice.

379
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- You know, what's up?

380
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- Yeah.

381
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- But it's slowly trying to take it over.

382
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I've got a pretty extensive back catalog that's been fun to release.

383
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- I don't know where the hell you find the time,

384
00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:09,260
but your lyrics blow me away.

385
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Like as you curse out the taxi cab that passed us

386
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across the universe and other galaxy collapses.

387
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- Yeah, that's fun.

388
00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:16,980
- What the hell, dude?

389
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(laughing)

390
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- That's fun.

391
00:18:19,180 --> 00:18:22,340
- If Wind is just air filling up the vacuum.

392
00:18:22,340 --> 00:18:25,380
- Yeah, that, I like her more than,

393
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I like hear more than her from leaving Chicago.

394
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- Yeah.

395
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Yeah, I don't.

396
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- I question, you know, I don't know where they come from.

397
00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:37,740
- Well, yeah, that's my question.

398
00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:39,740
It's like, what is your legal inspiration?

399
00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:41,060
Like, what books do you read?

400
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Like, where are you getting this stuff, dude?

401
00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:44,660
- I don't know.

402
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I do pay attention when I'm watching,

403
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if we're watching a movie or TV or something

404
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and I hear somebody say a line that I find interesting,

405
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I will put that in my phone.

406
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But for example, the Wind is just air filling up a vacuum.

407
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I was sitting in a hammock one day,

408
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just kind of staring up and I tried to figure out,

409
00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:10,620
or I had this thought,

410
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you don't know where Wind comes from.

411
00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:14,980
You don't know what, why it happens?

412
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And then I tried to think it through and I figured out,

413
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oh, it's just, you know, heat makes the air rise

414
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and that leaves the vacuum and the wind is rushing

415
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into fill that void.

416
00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:29,580
And yeah, I don't know.

417
00:19:29,580 --> 00:19:30,700
I thought it was a cool thought

418
00:19:30,700 --> 00:19:33,820
and I don't think people think about it very often.

419
00:19:33,820 --> 00:19:36,420
So I thought I'd throw that into a song.

420
00:19:36,420 --> 00:19:37,940
- It's like a Cheech and Chong thought.

421
00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:39,340
I mean, there's a part of,

422
00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:43,660
the smart ass in me who's been sober for over a year

423
00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:45,340
is there's a huge part of me that's like,

424
00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:49,780
okay, are there recreational pharmaceuticals involved?

425
00:19:49,780 --> 00:19:51,020
- Let's see what.

426
00:19:51,020 --> 00:19:52,420
- I certainly have in my life,

427
00:19:52,420 --> 00:19:54,780
but not recently.

428
00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:57,500
It became a lot less interesting once they legalized things

429
00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,100
up here in Michigan.

430
00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,740
- Yeah, that's like, it's like,

431
00:20:00,740 --> 00:20:02,140
it's just not as fun anymore.

432
00:20:02,140 --> 00:20:02,980
- That's fun anymore.

433
00:20:02,980 --> 00:20:05,100
I don't feel like I'm a badass anymore.

434
00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:06,580
- That's great.

435
00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:08,300
But I really appreciate you,

436
00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:09,740
the compliments on the lyrics.

437
00:20:09,740 --> 00:20:14,740
That's, I compare myself to my favorite artist out there,

438
00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,020
is Connor Obers,

439
00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:19,140
and I'm not sure if you're familiar with his work,

440
00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:22,340
but he does, he's in Bright Eyes and

441
00:20:23,660 --> 00:20:27,140
a punk band called Desperado Cedos and then does a bunch of.

442
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:28,700
- Yeah, I've heard of Bright Eyes, yeah.

443
00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:33,260
- Yep, so when I compare myself to that level,

444
00:20:33,260 --> 00:20:36,700
I feel like I'm still playing catch up.

445
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:39,260
And I just feel like,

446
00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:42,900
but then I listen to what's on the radio with these days.

447
00:20:42,900 --> 00:20:45,540
I'm like, okay, yes, I'm doing pretty good.

448
00:20:45,540 --> 00:20:49,100
- Yeah, well, I mean, pop, you know, pop is different.

449
00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:49,940
I mean, it's like,

450
00:20:49,940 --> 00:20:51,980
Waffi, it's not meant to be lyrically deep.

451
00:20:51,980 --> 00:20:54,940
I mean, you know, you, you know,

452
00:20:54,940 --> 00:20:56,260
for it could be though.

453
00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:59,140
- It could, well, and some of them are,

454
00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:01,140
but for the most part, they're not.

455
00:21:01,140 --> 00:21:03,020
It's just fluff, right?

456
00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,220
And that's okay, it's meant to bring a smile on your face.

457
00:21:05,220 --> 00:21:08,260
That's, you know, it's got its place.

458
00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:11,700
Well, let me ask you about one of your projects,

459
00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:12,740
drawing monsters.

460
00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:17,340
I love the interplay with your voice

461
00:21:17,340 --> 00:21:20,420
and your partner in that band who I'm assuming is Cole?

462
00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:21,860
- Yep, Cole Hanson.

463
00:21:21,860 --> 00:21:25,220
Good for you. - It's a friend, okay.

464
00:21:25,220 --> 00:21:26,060
- Yep.

465
00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:31,740
- On the professor, that track, like your tone

466
00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:35,580
and her tone, they worked so well together.

467
00:21:35,580 --> 00:21:37,860
- Yeah, yeah, to tell us.

468
00:21:37,860 --> 00:21:40,220
- I really have to thank her for,

469
00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,700
that was kind of the first project out of,

470
00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:49,020
I had a, I gotta go, I gotta history it up a little bit.

471
00:21:49,980 --> 00:21:53,860
I went, I was in this rap core band where I was just playing guitar.

472
00:21:53,860 --> 00:21:58,060
And before that, I would sing sometimes,

473
00:21:58,060 --> 00:22:03,060
but around puberty age, my voice just sucked, you know,

474
00:22:03,060 --> 00:22:06,460
like, I mean, I couldn't hit a note to save my life,

475
00:22:06,460 --> 00:22:08,340
but I kept writing songs and then,

476
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:11,300
I was coming out of this break up

477
00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,540
and I'm living in this crap hole apartment

478
00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:17,140
and I just started messing around with Garage Band.

479
00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:19,900
I got a MacBook and it came with it

480
00:22:19,900 --> 00:22:23,860
and it's like, oh, maybe I can start making music again.

481
00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:27,980
And so I wrote a few songs and went to an open mic

482
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:29,500
and met Cole there.

483
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,700
And I think she saw something in the lyrics or something.

484
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,980
And we decided to get together

485
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:39,340
and maybe try and write some music together.

486
00:22:39,340 --> 00:22:44,340
And so got her number and it was a couple of weeks later,

487
00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:49,660
I called her and she said, yeah,

488
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:52,860
I wish she'd get together and I gave her my address

489
00:22:52,860 --> 00:22:54,900
and she's like, are you kidding me?

490
00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:58,420
And as I know, and she goes, how do you know where I live?

491
00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,420
And I said, I don't know where you live.

492
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,220
And she goes, look out your window

493
00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:05,020
and I look out my window and like, right down the street

494
00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:07,620
a few doors down.

495
00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:09,100
She was sitting there light on enough.

496
00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:11,500
I know, Grand Rapids is a pretty big city

497
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:13,180
for that kind of coincidence.

498
00:23:13,180 --> 00:23:18,180
So we started playing music and my other buddy, Dustin,

499
00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:22,780
came along and we had ourselves a band

500
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:25,580
and next thing you know, we were putting songs together

501
00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:30,420
and she really pulled me out of my shell, singing wise.

502
00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:33,500
Before that, I would be very quiet

503
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:38,300
'cause I wasn't sure of my vocals or what was gonna happen

504
00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,980
and she kinda, she just showed me I could do it

505
00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:44,020
and she's so good, vocally.

506
00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:46,540
She's got, I told her she needs to put her stuff up

507
00:23:46,540 --> 00:23:49,020
on Wave Lake too.

508
00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:52,020
So you'll probably see that pop up here soon

509
00:23:52,020 --> 00:23:54,420
and you can hear her voice is just incredible.

510
00:23:54,420 --> 00:23:59,620
So yeah, she helped me a lot and yeah, I love that

511
00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:04,620
the being able to write songs for two people

512
00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:08,140
going back and forth and making it a conversation,

513
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:11,660
that's so fun to be able to write like that.

514
00:24:11,660 --> 00:24:15,260
Yeah, 'cause you can have a couple of fighting

515
00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:17,060
where you get to do both sides.

516
00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:18,060
- Oh yeah.

517
00:24:18,060 --> 00:24:19,140
- It's so fun.

518
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:21,820
Yeah, that was a really fun project

519
00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:25,820
and that just kinda dissolved in its place

520
00:24:25,820 --> 00:24:30,820
came a Mookie Robot War and on and on we go.

521
00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:35,180
Just kinda been band after band.

522
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:36,180
- Wow, howdy.

523
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:41,180
- Are you able to do this full time or do you have a day job?

524
00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:42,020
- Oh God no.

525
00:24:42,020 --> 00:24:43,700
I think if I did it full time,

526
00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:49,500
it would feel like a job and then I wouldn't do it at all

527
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:50,340
anymore.

528
00:24:50,340 --> 00:24:52,300
- That's a good point.

529
00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:55,820
- Yeah, it happened to me with I do illustrations too.

530
00:24:55,820 --> 00:25:01,220
And I just always drawn pictures my whole life

531
00:25:01,220 --> 00:25:03,740
and then one day I was like, you know,

532
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:07,420
I should get into art show and I framed a bunch of stuff,

533
00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:09,900
made a bunch of prints, got a little tent

534
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:13,140
and went out and did some art shows

535
00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:14,420
and it was fun at first.

536
00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:17,820
I made some money and then there was one day

537
00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:21,140
the lady came up and she's like, I don't know,

538
00:25:21,140 --> 00:25:23,940
that's pretty expensive and I caught myself

539
00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:27,380
selling my art, you know, I was trying to talk her into it.

540
00:25:27,380 --> 00:25:29,700
And you know, when she walked away, I just felt,

541
00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,260
I felt dirty and I packed up all my crap

542
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:36,420
and I haven't done that ever since that was years ago.

543
00:25:36,420 --> 00:25:42,780
So I worry that as soon as I start messing with commerce

544
00:25:44,060 --> 00:25:49,060
and art, it becomes a lot less fun and you lose the joy

545
00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:55,180
in it which you hope that that comes through the music.

546
00:25:55,180 --> 00:26:00,140
Yeah, so I don't want to do that.

547
00:26:00,140 --> 00:26:01,860
I want to keep it as a hobby.

548
00:26:01,860 --> 00:26:05,140
Even this, if I ever figure out how to get money

549
00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,940
out of Wave Lake, which I talked to Michael about the other day,

550
00:26:07,940 --> 00:26:13,060
if I ever figure it out, I'm just gonna,

551
00:26:13,060 --> 00:26:16,100
I'm gonna spend it all on one big party

552
00:26:16,100 --> 00:26:17,500
and just have a bunch of friends over

553
00:26:17,500 --> 00:26:21,940
and play some music here at my house and yeah,

554
00:26:21,940 --> 00:26:23,020
it'll just be great.

555
00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:27,220
I see music as if I get anything back from it,

556
00:26:27,220 --> 00:26:29,500
it's bonus, you know, it's a bonus

557
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,460
'cause I enjoy doing it so much that.

558
00:26:31,460 --> 00:26:36,140
Yeah, I don't wanna.

559
00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:40,860
Yeah, I think, I mean, God, you just touched on a couple

560
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:43,420
of topics there that we could spend three hours on.

561
00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:48,420
I think that people are attracted to bands

562
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:51,500
when they hear something new and the angst

563
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,140
and the energy that that band has when they are struggling,

564
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:56,660
when they are not making anything,

565
00:26:56,660 --> 00:27:00,100
when they will do anything they can to play

566
00:27:00,100 --> 00:27:02,100
in front of 50 people in Grand Rapids.

567
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:03,500
Yep.

568
00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:05,620
And that'd be beautiful.

569
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:10,620
Yeah, and but then something happens

570
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:14,020
to the band when they start making money.

571
00:27:14,020 --> 00:27:15,020
Yep.

572
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:17,740
Most bands lose their edge.

573
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:22,740
Most bands do not continue to push themselves

574
00:27:22,740 --> 00:27:28,100
and to try new things and to experiment new things.

575
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,540
There's very few bands, I think,

576
00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:36,700
that have been able to pull it off and continue to,

577
00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:38,940
you know, whether we like their music or not,

578
00:27:38,940 --> 00:27:43,420
but continue to push the boundaries of their artistry.

579
00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:48,700
You know, I think of, like, I think fish does that very well.

580
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:51,140
I think, you know, you too is, you know,

581
00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:54,380
some of their later records are good, some of them are not.

582
00:27:54,380 --> 00:27:57,540
Yeah, but, you know, but they're pushing, you know?

583
00:27:57,540 --> 00:28:00,300
They're not just rehashing the same thing over and over too.

584
00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:03,580
I feel like that's a problem when somebody has a little success.

585
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:05,220
They're like, oh, that worked.

586
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:07,940
I'm gonna keep, I'm gonna beat that horse to death.

587
00:28:07,940 --> 00:28:08,940
Yeah.

588
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:10,340
I don't wanna do that either.

589
00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:13,540
Yeah, you know, and like, you know,

590
00:28:13,540 --> 00:28:17,780
sting is one of my favorite artists and I remember like he,

591
00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:21,220
he put out like, and to me, like my favorite records

592
00:28:21,220 --> 00:28:26,220
of his are soul cages, 10 Summoners Tales and Mercury Falling.

593
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:30,940
And I was excited within the last couple of years

594
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:33,260
that he had put out a new quote unquote rock record

595
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:36,380
and I listened to it and I'm like, you know,

596
00:28:36,380 --> 00:28:38,820
I just did, he wouldn't start.

597
00:28:38,820 --> 00:28:41,220
Yeah, I mean, because to me, like he's, you know,

598
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:44,900
he's such a music nerd, a beautiful music nerd, you know?

599
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,700
Yeah.

600
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:49,900
And that I was hoping that he would be pushing some boundaries

601
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:51,860
on that and I was a little disappointed in that.

602
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:56,340
But I think that, you know, artists, you know,

603
00:28:56,340 --> 00:29:00,580
I think the money and the success gets in the way

604
00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,260
and they lose their edge, you know?

605
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:08,420
And with my bands now, we're pretty,

606
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:11,700
we're established adults at this point, you know?

607
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,020
I'm a part owner of a civil engineering company now.

608
00:29:15,020 --> 00:29:18,420
So I mean, money is still an issue,

609
00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:22,700
but it's not, it's not like we're having a hard time buying food,

610
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:23,700
you know?

611
00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:28,580
And pretty much everybody in all my bands is pretty established.

612
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:32,340
So we get to take that out out of the equation,

613
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:33,340
which is nice.

614
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:36,180
So if we play a show and get a few hundred bucks, it's like,

615
00:29:36,180 --> 00:29:37,340
this is awesome.

616
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:38,340
Yeah.

617
00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:40,340
Usually they're just paying the bar tap.

618
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:41,940
Yeah, red meat tonight.

619
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:43,540
It's red meat and cigars, boys.

620
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:45,060
Yeah, exactly.

621
00:29:45,060 --> 00:29:46,220
Yeah.

622
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:52,300
So yeah, it's nice to have that out of the equation a little bit.

623
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:56,260
But you meant, yeah, you let me ask you about selling your art,

624
00:29:56,260 --> 00:30:00,700
because one of the artists that I played with when

625
00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:04,020
I lived in Seattle's great singer, songwriter,

626
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:05,220
by the name of Carrie Ockery.

627
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:09,940
And there was a Facebook post that she was involved in the other day.

628
00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:13,900
And a lot of my buddies back in Seattle were talking about how

629
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:15,340
they hate to sell their art.

630
00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:17,820
They feel dirty about selling their art.

631
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:19,540
Yeah, there's a lot of them.

632
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:23,980
Yeah, you know, but you know, but you're out there, you know,

633
00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:27,540
you're putting value out into the universe, you know,

634
00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:31,220
either with your illustrations or with your songs.

635
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:36,380
And, you know, and you're asking for value in return.

636
00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:41,620
Yeah, I mean, I mean, is the tricky part is the, is the ask, you know,

637
00:30:41,620 --> 00:30:46,980
and I think that, you know, it would like, I wonder how that value

638
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:48,980
for value model would work.

639
00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:54,180
You know, with your drawings.

640
00:30:54,180 --> 00:31:00,260
Maybe an NFT type situation, although I'm not even really sure what that is.

641
00:31:00,260 --> 00:31:04,620
No, no, no, I mean, like what if you set up a tent with all of your illustrations

642
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:09,340
and all the stuff that you had framed and ready to go and just said,

643
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:13,620
hey, you know, like this is what I think it's worth, but.

644
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:14,980
Oh, what do you mean?

645
00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:18,860
You know, like, you know, because it's value to other, other areas.

646
00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:21,980
Because it's the same thing on, on Wavelake, you know, or on,

647
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:25,500
or if somebody's listened to you on Fountain or Pobbers or anything like that,

648
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:30,100
like they can, like some people, like, like to me, leaving Chicago, I'm like,

649
00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,700
I'm like, I love this song.

650
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:33,580
I'm going to tip the dude 10 bucks, right?

651
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:39,620
Whereas somebody else would be like, no, you know, I'll give him 10 sats, 20 sats, right?

652
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:42,180
Right. And that does add up.

653
00:31:42,180 --> 00:31:48,740
I guess I've always been under the, the mind frame that someday I'll write a song

654
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:54,100
that'll get, you know, on a, on a movie or, or something, there'll be a big payday.

655
00:31:54,100 --> 00:31:58,820
You know, and it'll make all this time and effort worth it without any effort.

656
00:31:58,820 --> 00:32:03,740
I'm like, you know, but maybe I'm looking at it all wrong and, um,

657
00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:09,820
it may be a little bit so long the way is what, is what will add up to a lot.

658
00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:11,100
I know.

659
00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:12,940
Um, I don't know.

660
00:32:12,940 --> 00:32:14,260
I guess I don't know.

661
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:18,540
I think we're, I mean, we as a society were, we're so stuck on

662
00:32:18,540 --> 00:32:24,340
instant gratification and, and, you know, you can, you can buy a video game and you can figure

663
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:26,340
it out in 20 minutes, you know, right?

664
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:27,340
Yeah.

665
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:31,260
You know, you can buy a writing lawnmower, read the instructions and within an hour, you're

666
00:32:31,260 --> 00:32:32,260
up and running.

667
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:33,260
Yeah.

668
00:32:33,260 --> 00:32:34,260
Yeah.

669
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:36,380
Or a new app on the phone or whatever it is.

670
00:32:36,380 --> 00:32:41,460
And I think that we have forgotten the, the, the importance of the long play, the importance

671
00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:46,380
of, of, you know, I think that like if you, if you have read any of the Bitcoin books,

672
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:50,180
you know, they call it low time frequency, right?

673
00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:51,180
So yeah.

674
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:52,180
Yeah.

675
00:32:52,180 --> 00:32:57,420
I will, I had to, I had a point to mention this.

676
00:32:57,420 --> 00:33:05,500
Um, I, I've been trying to figure out the Bitcoin space and I'm a pretty tech savvy dude.

677
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:12,940
Um, and I have, I think the problem, the main problem with this lightning wallet and, uh, the

678
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:18,220
Bitcoin whole thing around it is it's really hard to figure it out.

679
00:33:18,220 --> 00:33:20,380
I, I've got a moon pay now.

680
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:21,660
I'm on cracking.

681
00:33:21,660 --> 00:33:26,380
I gave money to somebody and, uh, then tried to get it back out and they were like, you don't

682
00:33:26,380 --> 00:33:27,780
have enough to take it back out.

683
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:30,780
So I, I don't know how it all works.

684
00:33:30,780 --> 00:33:37,700
I just, and this is what I've, I sent to Michael because he reached out, um, uh, like last

685
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:38,700
week.

686
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,700
I said, it would be really helpful to have, I don't know, a video or, or, um, a, a, a,

687
00:33:42,700 --> 00:33:49,300
or something that breaks it down with links and where you can, uh, where it makes sense.

688
00:33:49,300 --> 00:33:52,540
Cause I, right now it doesn't make sense to me yet how it works.

689
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:59,740
Um, I'm not sure how to, I guess I do, I did figure out how to give other people stats.

690
00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:05,660
Um, but I don't, it just seems, uh, counterintuitive.

691
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:06,660
Yeah.

692
00:34:06,660 --> 00:34:07,660
Yeah.

693
00:34:07,660 --> 00:34:11,980
And you got to be a, uh, IT guy to figure it out is what it seems like to me.

694
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:15,620
Yeah, it, it can be, it, it can be right now.

695
00:34:15,620 --> 00:34:20,460
I mean, like for the, for the people that I've onboarded, you know, I mean, um, you know, I,

696
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:26,060
I, I, I get them an Alby wallet, um, or even, you know, I, I tell them like if you're looking

697
00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:30,660
for a lightning address, like just go open, open, uh, an account on fountain.

698
00:34:30,660 --> 00:34:31,660
Yeah.

699
00:34:31,660 --> 00:34:32,660
Yeah.

700
00:34:32,660 --> 00:34:33,660
You know, do it, right?

701
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:34,660
Yeah.

702
00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:35,660
Cause you can bounce stuff over there, you know.

703
00:34:35,660 --> 00:34:41,940
Um, um, and, and I tell people that, you know, look like it's still really, really

704
00:34:41,940 --> 00:34:49,860
early and it will get easier, you know, um, my wife and I met at a.com, um, and so a lot of

705
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:55,180
this technology, a lot of the stuff that we are experiencing firsthand 25 years later,

706
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:58,700
we're like, Oh, this reminds me of like, when that escape came out, this reminds me of

707
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:59,700
when AOL came up.

708
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:04,020
This reminds me of people freaking out over dial up versus broadband, right?

709
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:08,740
Like, I mean, you know, you, you, it's, we have to remind ourselves that this is still

710
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,980
very, very early, very, very new.

711
00:35:10,980 --> 00:35:15,540
And it just takes it, you know, and I, I do think it will be the future.

712
00:35:15,540 --> 00:35:23,220
Um, there's, there's so many problems with, um, letting it algorithm like when you're in

713
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:28,540
Spotify, letting the algorithm pick what you're going to listen to next, I've, I loved it

714
00:35:28,540 --> 00:35:29,540
at first.

715
00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:31,820
I thought, man, this is great.

716
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:38,420
Um, but now every, every song that it suggests sounds so much like the one before it that

717
00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:43,620
you just get bored with it and you lose that, I don't know, uh, what I like about Wave Lake

718
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:50,980
is that it'll go from, you know, country to death metal to rap to, it's all over the place.

719
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:52,380
And that's what my mind wants.

720
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:54,060
I, I, I like that.

721
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:58,220
I want it to be, I want to be surprised when I'm listening to stuff.

722
00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:59,220
Yeah.

723
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:01,820
Those algorithms are not doing it.

724
00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:07,340
No, I mean, just, you know, Spotify, uh, you know, works like, like, if I'm in the mood

725
00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:10,940
for opera, you know, it'll, it'll keep me in that mood.

726
00:36:10,940 --> 00:36:16,180
It won't, you know, it won't go from, it won't go from, from poverty to Sepultera, you

727
00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:21,980
know, you know, and maybe that's what you want, you know, maybe the top tour to check Baker

728
00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:22,980
to patty Griffin.

729
00:36:22,980 --> 00:36:23,980
Yeah.

730
00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:26,380
You know, I mean, that's what my mind's doing anyway.

731
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:27,380
Yeah.

732
00:36:27,380 --> 00:36:33,580
Um, that's the, uh, yeah, I think there's a, uh, uh, right when I heard about it, I was

733
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:35,060
like, oh, that's a great idea.

734
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,140
And I can't wait to hear about it.

735
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:43,980
Um, my, uh, a friend from high school had, his friends with Michael.

736
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:44,980
Oh, okay.

737
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:53,420
And, yeah, and he, um, he had posted something on Facebook or somewhere and I was like, oh,

738
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:57,580
another place to put up music and I, I didn't really understand it at first.

739
00:36:57,580 --> 00:37:03,140
And, uh, so I threw up an album and then kind of started looking into it and then you guys

740
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:10,420
started making podcasts about it, which is very helpful, um, just, um, and then I did,

741
00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:17,140
I didn't like, didn't look at it for a few weeks and went back on and I have, my sats were

742
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:23,900
growing and I'm a, uh, data cruncher anyway.

743
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:29,180
So, um, I like looking at all the numbers and seeing, you know, if certain songs are doing

744
00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:33,100
better than other ones, um, it's, uh, it's dangerous.

745
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:37,860
I just started doing that because then you're like, well, why isn't this one, you know, uh,

746
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:44,220
you can really over, you can get, I even wrote a song called analysis, paralysis about that.

747
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:52,900
Um, so yeah, I love, I love being able to dig into the data of it and I started doing that

748
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,180
and I was like, oh, people are actually listening.

749
00:37:55,180 --> 00:38:00,260
Um, it wasn't so much about the sats, but there's, you know, there's a few thousand plays

750
00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:04,820
on there and that, that's better than Spotify or any of those because, and I think it's because

751
00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:10,340
it's a, uh, smaller pool now, um, growing every day.

752
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:11,340
Yeah.

753
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:16,500
And not just a wavelength on, you know, on, on Ellen Beach and in a lot of the other places

754
00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:20,940
that people are self-hosting, you know, you know, you know, exciting.

755
00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:26,460
Uh, just a fun new way to get that music out there and I love that people can give

756
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,980
feedback by tipping.

757
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:29,980
Yeah.

758
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:32,460
Yeah, I, I think it's no more a part of it.

759
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:37,860
I think it's dangerous to, um, I mean, I, I talked about this yesterday on a, on a, on a

760
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:46,140
pleb chain radio, um, you know, the, the, the ugly truth is that a song's popularity is,

761
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:48,660
is going to be measured in sats.

762
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:49,660
Yeah.

763
00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:55,100
That's the ugly truth, you know, um, you can kind of tell, and, and I was talking about,

764
00:38:55,100 --> 00:39:02,300
um, that, you know, um, in, in, in many ways, what, what is, you know, like, it, if you go

765
00:39:02,300 --> 00:39:08,860
on Spotify, um, or iTunes or Deezer or SoundCloud, the majority, in my opinion, the majority

766
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:11,580
of what you, uh, of what you hear is not quality.

767
00:39:11,580 --> 00:39:15,780
Um, and that's because there's a low barrier to entry into the industry.

768
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:23,460
Um, so it, you know, fortunately or unfortunately, uh, the sats are going to help determine,

769
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:29,700
you know, what, what people like the, the most, you know, I mean, if, if the song is poorly recorded,

770
00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:34,380
if, if the vocals are awful, if, if the production is awful, it's probably not going to get

771
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:35,380
anything.

772
00:39:35,380 --> 00:39:36,380
Right.

773
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:42,100
And it's, um, yeah, but as a songwriter, it's dangerous to sit there and go, oh, well, how come

774
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,820
song B didn't get as much as song A, like song B is my favorite.

775
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:46,820
I'm not good enough.

776
00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:48,620
Well, how come nobody, right?

777
00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:50,100
The beauty of song B?

778
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,100
Yeah.

779
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,100
You really have to be careful with that.

780
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:57,580
And just keep making whatever, whatever you want.

781
00:39:57,580 --> 00:39:58,580
That makes it hard.

782
00:39:58,580 --> 00:40:04,420
You know, um, and that's what I, I do love the ability to be able to do that.

783
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:10,700
My, uh, Red Arrow Highway is very, uh, Springsteen rock and roll.

784
00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:14,260
Uh, that's my lion says a little bit more of an edge to it.

785
00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:17,700
And then my solo stuff, I get to make whatever I want.

786
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:22,500
Um, I would love to figure out how to make dubstep, but it's really hard.

787
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:25,940
I don't know how to do it, but I love listening to it.

788
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:28,700
So I would love to someday figure that out.

789
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:34,460
Um, but I love the freedom of being able to do that and to have a place to put it out.

790
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:40,180
Um, that's accepting of genre jumping, jumping like that.

791
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:41,700
Is it great?

792
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:42,700
Yeah.

793
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:46,540
Well, tell, tell me about some of the gigs you're doing around.

794
00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:49,340
I mean, you, you guys all have day jobs and you're all there.

795
00:40:49,340 --> 00:40:50,340
Yeah.

796
00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:52,700
Time is, time is tough.

797
00:40:52,700 --> 00:41:00,420
Uh, time management is, is what possibly the hardest part of, uh, being in this active

798
00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:01,420
musically.

799
00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:05,580
Um, we got my day job on their guy worked.

800
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:11,220
Last week was rare, but I put in like over 50 hours and then, um, we got band practice twice

801
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:14,980
a week for, um, or one day for each band.

802
00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:20,220
And then, um, I, I slip out to the studio every chance I get, but we also have, um,

803
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:25,980
uh, two, I'm a stepdad to two 16 year old, uh, twins.

804
00:41:25,980 --> 00:41:30,300
And yeah, they're just, uh, they're constantly go, go, go.

805
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:35,660
They want to be with their friends and we're driving them all around and, um, yeah, just

806
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:39,060
it's so much to do it every week.

807
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:40,060
Yeah.

808
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:41,300
Just collapse into bed.

809
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:43,980
Um, but it feels good.

810
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:46,860
You know, it feels like I accomplished something during the day.

811
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:52,780
Um, and we, yeah, it's hard to booking shows for two bands.

812
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:56,660
They, they collide a lot when it comes to that.

813
00:41:56,660 --> 00:42:03,900
Um, and yeah, both bands thinks they should take precedence over the other one.

814
00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:04,900
Yeah.

815
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:11,140
Um, so yeah, we just, we got a few shows booked coming up in the summer.

816
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:16,540
I'm really hoping to get, I'd love to get on some festivals or something like that.

817
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:21,420
Um, it's just hard, um, especially Grand Rapids.

818
00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:29,260
We, we lost a lot of live music venues after COVID and, but now it's just these bigger venues

819
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:37,420
where it's hard to get in there and you got a lot of bands fighting for very few spots,

820
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:38,420
you know?

821
00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:39,420
Mm-hmm.

822
00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:45,820
I'm hoping that turns around and they open some new, smaller venues would be great.

823
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:49,900
It might be, might be, might be time for some house shows.

824
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:50,900
Mm-hmm.

825
00:42:50,900 --> 00:42:52,660
You know, so summer is coming.

826
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:55,900
Yeah, you got this, uh, studio show in the backyard.

827
00:42:55,900 --> 00:42:58,540
Oh, no, dude, do show in the backyard.

828
00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:59,540
Yeah.

829
00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:00,780
You know, and got invited.

830
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,340
You got to invite all your neighbors.

831
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:04,340
That's the trick.

832
00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:05,340
Oh, there you go.

833
00:43:05,340 --> 00:43:07,300
Then they can't be mad because they were invited.

834
00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:08,300
That's the trick.

835
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:09,300
You got to invite all the neighbors.

836
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:10,300
Yeah.

837
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:13,620
You got to, you got to call the local police department and say, hey guys, we're having

838
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:18,700
a barbecue in the bands plan and here's a trick that I pulled when I lived in Seattle.

839
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:19,940
I went up to the police station.

840
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:22,100
The police station was like two blocks from my house.

841
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:26,140
I walked up to the police station and I had a, and I had a, like, a flyer for it.

842
00:43:26,140 --> 00:43:27,140
Yeah.

843
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:30,580
And I told them, I said, hey, I'm having a big blow out at my house.

844
00:43:30,580 --> 00:43:33,580
Like it's going to be a revolving stage of bands.

845
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:34,580
Yeah.

846
00:43:34,580 --> 00:43:35,580
You got to welcome.

847
00:43:35,580 --> 00:43:36,580
You guys are welcome.

848
00:43:36,580 --> 00:43:40,180
By the way, if you show up, you're singing.

849
00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:41,180
Oh, there you go.

850
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:42,860
You got to force them into it.

851
00:43:42,860 --> 00:43:43,860
Yeah.

852
00:43:43,860 --> 00:43:47,180
And then I invited all of my neighbors.

853
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:48,580
I let them know.

854
00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:50,580
And I did well in advance.

855
00:43:50,580 --> 00:43:51,580
Oh, that's great.

856
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:54,340
Dude, it was nuts.

857
00:43:54,340 --> 00:43:56,820
We started at like three.

858
00:43:56,820 --> 00:44:01,060
And we had, this was at a time I was playing in like seven bands in Seattle.

859
00:44:01,060 --> 00:44:05,620
And we had just non-stop music until like 10.

860
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:08,020
There was probably 200 people that showed up.

861
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:09,020
Awesome.

862
00:44:09,020 --> 00:44:11,460
And the cops knew about it.

863
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:16,780
Now finally at like 10, 30 or 11, the cops came in and they go, all right, guys, come on.

864
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:18,620
Yeah, fun's over.

865
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:21,820
They can hear you all the way down in the harbor like enough.

866
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:22,820
You know, all right.

867
00:44:22,820 --> 00:44:23,820
We'll shut it down.

868
00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:24,820
Thanks.

869
00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:25,820
Yeah.

870
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:26,820
Oh, man.

871
00:44:26,820 --> 00:44:27,820
You got to invite everybody.

872
00:44:27,820 --> 00:44:28,820
Yeah, amazing.

873
00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:29,820
You got to invite all of your neighbors.

874
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:31,820
And here's another tip that I'll give you.

875
00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:32,820
Sorry.

876
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:33,820
Sure.

877
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:34,820
No, no, you're fine.

878
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:37,300
But turn it, like, do a big party.

879
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:41,860
And invite everybody and say, hey, like just bring a dish.

880
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:42,860
Oh, right.

881
00:44:42,860 --> 00:44:43,860
There you go.

882
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:47,300
Because they didn't even have a sleeping, yeah, you know, it's fantastic.

883
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,500
Yeah, white up with a bunch of food for weeks, too.

884
00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:55,980
And find some kit, like find like a like a junior high school band or a high school band and

885
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:58,140
go like, guys, come on, I'll give you a 20 minute set.

886
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,140
They'll eat it up.

887
00:44:59,140 --> 00:45:00,140
Oh, absolutely.

888
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:01,140
They would.

889
00:45:01,140 --> 00:45:03,140
I got the twins.

890
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:07,220
I'm sure they have friends with fans right now that would love to get in here.

891
00:45:07,220 --> 00:45:09,740
Well, I would love to do in this space.

892
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:15,860
I got my backyard is we've been talking about putting on live concerts in here and just

893
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:16,860
streaming it.

894
00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:17,860
Yeah.

895
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:25,500
And then just have a, you know, have a, have 20, 30 people in here as an audience and then

896
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:27,420
pump it out on video would be very cool to do that.

897
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:30,740
I think it's all set up for it.

898
00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:31,740
It's pretty well sound proof.

899
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:35,060
So I don't think I would be bugging the neighbors too much.

900
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:36,060
Yeah.

901
00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:38,060
You're broadcasting from a punk club right now, man.

902
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:39,060
I know.

903
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:40,060
It feels really good.

904
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:41,060
Yeah.

905
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:44,540
Yeah, it's kind of my favorite place in the world right now.

906
00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:49,420
You got road cases and electrical lines and cool lights.

907
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:50,420
Yeah.

908
00:45:50,420 --> 00:45:52,580
15 inch speakers on stands behind you.

909
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:53,580
Oh, yeah.

910
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:55,700
Yeah, it's a very fun room.

911
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:56,700
Yeah.

912
00:45:56,700 --> 00:45:57,700
I love it.

913
00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:03,540
I just got a fog machine the other day just to, you know, just to ramp it up even further.

914
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:04,540
Yeah.

915
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:09,500
Yeah, I made a very cool space for 16 year olds to hang out and good.

916
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:10,500
Yeah.

917
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:11,500
Then you'd that.

918
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:15,900
I just tell them don't touch any knobs or I'll kill you.

919
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:17,900
Well, all right.

920
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:22,460
Let me ask you a couple of favorite questions that I love asking the musicians.

921
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:28,820
Give me, give me best gig and worst gig.

922
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:29,820
Okay.

923
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:39,460
Best I would have to say, God, is any of the way I remember everything.

924
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:44,380
We did get to play a very big show when I was in my rap court band a long time ago.

925
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:45,380
That was cool.

926
00:46:45,380 --> 00:46:47,620
Oh, man, it was funny.

927
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:49,180
I had the big ol' baggy pants.

928
00:46:49,180 --> 00:46:53,820
I was playing guitar jumping around like the lit biscuit guy Westmoreland.

929
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:54,820
Yeah.

930
00:46:54,820 --> 00:47:02,820
But we got to play, we opened up for a band called head PE and at the time, I mean, yeah,

931
00:47:02,820 --> 00:47:04,820
they were those guys.

932
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:05,820
Yeah.

933
00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:10,820
That was really fun because we got to, they were very, very nice guys that came back and

934
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:12,060
hung out with us for a little while.

935
00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:16,300
And I mean, my, our minds were just blown, you know.

936
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:23,820
And then a worst one isn't my show, but it's a very good example of what can go beautifully

937
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:24,820
wrong.

938
00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:33,100
And show, we run in there and there's this, there's this girl with a keyboard and she had

939
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:36,540
all the music on a, on an iPad.

940
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:37,540
Yeah.

941
00:47:37,540 --> 00:47:41,140
And the room is just a big concrete box, you know.

942
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:46,100
So she's up there and this iPad started skipping as if it was a CD player or something, you

943
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,100
know.

944
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:52,340
And she's barely playing the keyboard and saying and she starts to freak out.

945
00:47:52,340 --> 00:47:56,180
She says, okay, everybody, I got, I got all these songs on a laptop.

946
00:47:56,180 --> 00:47:57,180
So hold on.

947
00:47:57,180 --> 00:48:01,340
So everybody, we're just all standing there for about five minutes while she's hooking

948
00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:02,340
up this laptop.

949
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:05,860
And the whole time she's got a beer sitting right next to it.

950
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:10,500
And everybody's watching her and she'll go right by the beer and it's like, you know, and

951
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,300
then everything's fine.

952
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:14,660
Then she starts playing.

953
00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:19,820
Reach is over and knocks that beer on to the laptop and it just fracks.

954
00:48:19,820 --> 00:48:26,420
But what I remember most about that is the room was very full and there were all these people

955
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:28,780
just wanted her to succeed.

956
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:33,980
So much hung in there and then just started playing the songs with just your voice and the

957
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:40,420
keyboard and everybody stayed and they clapped and they were all and it really, it made me

958
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:43,980
a lot less anxious about my own life shows.

959
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:46,180
I was like, Oh, these people got out of bed.

960
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:53,300
They came here and they want this to be good, you know, they came all the way down here.

961
00:48:53,300 --> 00:49:00,020
So they'll put up with a lot of those were showing up somewhat prepared.

962
00:49:00,020 --> 00:49:01,020
Wow.

963
00:49:01,020 --> 00:49:02,020
Yeah.

964
00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:06,620
So that would probably be the, I think about that all the time, that poor girl.

965
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:11,540
Yeah, I've seen that happen a couple of times too and your heart breaks and you know, you

966
00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:16,020
just hope that the crowd is supportive and there for the right reasons.

967
00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:17,020
Yup.

968
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:18,620
And that breaks they certainly were.

969
00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:19,620
All right.

970
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:22,860
Best, best concert you've seen, which I think was probably smashing pumpkins.

971
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:25,980
And worst concert you've seen.

972
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:33,180
I would go not smashing pumpkins, although that did melt my brain for life.

973
00:49:33,180 --> 00:49:37,460
I got to see bright eyes in Florida.

974
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:42,260
I flew down there because I was going to, I was going to miss that tour and they did the

975
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:43,260
coolest thing.

976
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:46,420
It was a, they all wore white.

977
00:49:46,420 --> 00:49:48,580
Everything on stage was white.

978
00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:52,860
I guess they did have some fake flowers and stuff but barely.

979
00:49:52,860 --> 00:49:58,180
And then they had this visual artist with basically like a projector like you would have in

980
00:49:58,180 --> 00:50:01,460
school where they would write on the transparencies.

981
00:50:01,460 --> 00:50:04,460
They had a, they had a souped up one of those.

982
00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:09,660
And this guy was like, he put a bowl of water on there and then drop food coloring into it

983
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:12,700
and it was just explode all over the stage, you know.

984
00:50:12,700 --> 00:50:17,380
And then he'd have an etch of sketch and it was like he's going around the people.

985
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:19,100
It was so cool looking.

986
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:25,380
I've never seen anything like that was just the perfect, perfect combination of audio

987
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:27,380
and video.

988
00:50:27,380 --> 00:50:35,460
Now, worst, I don't know, I always managed to have fun.

989
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:37,460
I'll tell you my first.

990
00:50:37,460 --> 00:50:42,700
Yeah, give me my, my worst and it involves the smashing pumpkins, although I missed, I missed

991
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:43,700
their set.

992
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:44,700
Yes.

993
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:50,140
At Dodger Stadium in like 98.

994
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:51,140
Okay.

995
00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:55,740
The smashing pumpkins opened, they had the original lineup back.

996
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:57,980
It was awful.

997
00:50:57,980 --> 00:50:59,380
I don't know.

998
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:02,260
I mean, I'm glad like I got like free tickets.

999
00:51:02,260 --> 00:51:03,260
Yeah, yeah.

1000
00:51:03,260 --> 00:51:04,260
I walked out.

1001
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:05,260
It was awful.

1002
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:08,420
And they were just performing poorly or was it a bad song?

1003
00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:10,420
Mix sucked.

1004
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:11,420
Mix sucked.

1005
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:18,220
The band like the, the stage antics, the, I mean, it was just, it was awful.

1006
00:51:18,220 --> 00:51:19,220
It was.

1007
00:51:19,220 --> 00:51:23,740
Was it a ball, Billy Corgan?

1008
00:51:23,740 --> 00:51:25,540
Kenny Arnoff was on drums.

1009
00:51:25,540 --> 00:51:26,540
Okay.

1010
00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:30,980
It was after they had had a death in the band and they were the opening act.

1011
00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:34,420
So I, I didn't see, so I'm not commenting about smashing pumpkins.

1012
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:35,420
Oh, I'm sorry.

1013
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,780
I must have been commenting about kiss.

1014
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:38,780
Kiss with awful.

1015
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:39,780
Okay.

1016
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:43,140
Yeah, I've never seen awful awful awful awful.

1017
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:44,140
Worse show up.

1018
00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:45,140
What's the crazy?

1019
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:46,140
Because they've been around forever.

1020
00:51:46,140 --> 00:51:47,620
They should know better.

1021
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:52,660
I, I have a lot of respect for them with respect to marketing and what they've done for branding.

1022
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:53,660
Yeah.

1023
00:51:53,660 --> 00:51:54,660
Right.

1024
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:55,660
Yeah.

1025
00:51:55,660 --> 00:51:56,660
I'll, I'll give them that.

1026
00:51:56,660 --> 00:51:59,900
Do they deserve to be in the, do they deserve to be in the rock and roll hall of fame?

1027
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:00,900
Yes.

1028
00:52:00,900 --> 00:52:04,060
Because of what they did for rock and roll is an art form.

1029
00:52:04,060 --> 00:52:07,060
And, you know, but I, I do, I like their music.

1030
00:52:07,060 --> 00:52:08,060
Do I find them compelling?

1031
00:52:08,060 --> 00:52:09,060
No.

1032
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:10,060
Not the whole thing.

1033
00:52:10,060 --> 00:52:11,060
I believe it.

1034
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:12,060
And yeah, it was stash.

1035
00:52:12,060 --> 00:52:13,060
It was awful.

1036
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:16,940
I just met a, I met a kid online.

1037
00:52:16,940 --> 00:52:19,740
His name is Austin from, he's from Maine.

1038
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:23,900
And he, I very rarely get messages from people.

1039
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:28,300
And he just wrote me a note saying, hey, I found your album and, and think it's great.

1040
00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:31,620
And so I automatically just write him back and I, good for you.

1041
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:37,660
Yeah, I want to, I want to, yeah, I just appreciate that so much.

1042
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:39,900
And he said, I'm an abandoned too.

1043
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:41,860
And so we get going back and forth.

1044
00:52:41,860 --> 00:52:44,220
And now we're writing stuff together too.

1045
00:52:44,220 --> 00:52:50,180
But we did a cover of Beth by Kis.

1046
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:52,380
And it's, it's pretty good.

1047
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:53,380
It's weird.

1048
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:58,380
He, he plays a key tar in it and it gets crazy.

1049
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:02,940
But he put that into some, it was some contest where you had to, you had to pick from a group

1050
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:04,220
of songs.

1051
00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:07,420
And, yeah, we want a couple hundred bucks for that.

1052
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:08,420
Nice.

1053
00:53:08,420 --> 00:53:09,420
He's small, yeah.

1054
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:10,420
It's not great.

1055
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,420
He changed the tempo.

1056
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:13,980
Oh, what would you do?

1057
00:53:13,980 --> 00:53:19,380
It was completely, completely different.

1058
00:53:19,380 --> 00:53:24,700
There's no, the lyrics are the same, but that's about it.

1059
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,460
It'd be funny to hear that as a polka, right?

1060
00:53:27,460 --> 00:53:28,460
Yeah.

1061
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:32,260
Yeah, it was very fun to do.

1062
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:34,700
Oh, wait, but I can't come home turn.

1063
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:36,900
You know, that would be right.

1064
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:40,220
Yeah, it's like that very much.

1065
00:53:40,220 --> 00:53:43,060
So, yeah, I almost forgot about Austin.

1066
00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:44,700
So I'm writing music with him too now.

1067
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:49,060
And it's just so fun because he's got a different take.

1068
00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:54,700
He's, he's writing very Americana.

1069
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:57,420
He's got a band called Tall Well.

1070
00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:59,020
And they're, they're just phenomenal.

1071
00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:02,260
If you're looking for lyrics and a good singer.

1072
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:04,660
Yeah, they're in AIN.

1073
00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:05,660
Yep.

1074
00:54:05,660 --> 00:54:06,660
Cool.

1075
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:07,660
I'm going to look them up.

1076
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:08,660
Yeah.

1077
00:54:08,660 --> 00:54:09,660
All right.

1078
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:13,540
Yeah, give me a musical guilty pleasure.

1079
00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:21,340
Somebody that somebody that, you know, would be a band or an artist who follows you.

1080
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:25,980
Like so outside of your genre, they'd be like, man, I can't believe he likes this bicycle.

1081
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:26,980
I have it.

1082
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:27,980
I have it.

1083
00:54:27,980 --> 00:54:28,980
I have it.

1084
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:33,700
My wife's going to kill me because I, I'll always ask Alexa when I'm walking out of the room

1085
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:37,460
and if she's mad at me, I'll say, Alexa, play Limp Biscuit.

1086
00:54:37,460 --> 00:54:40,380
And she can't turn it off, fast enough.

1087
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:42,060
Hold on.

1088
00:54:42,060 --> 00:54:44,660
I'm sorry, I actually have an Alexa in here.

1089
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:46,420
Alexa, stop.

1090
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:47,420
Stop.

1091
00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:48,420
Okay.

1092
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:49,420
That's funny.

1093
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:51,420
But yeah, I love it.

1094
00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:56,740
Even their new album, I, I will only listen to it on headphones where other people can't

1095
00:54:56,740 --> 00:54:58,620
hear what I'm doing.

1096
00:54:58,620 --> 00:55:04,500
But just, there's something about the production quality of that band in particular.

1097
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:06,380
It sounds so good.

1098
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:09,300
It's so hard.

1099
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:10,300
I don't know.

1100
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:11,300
I don't know.

1101
00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:14,340
Lyrically, there's nothing to grab.

1102
00:55:14,340 --> 00:55:15,340
Yeah.

1103
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:16,340
All right.

1104
00:55:16,340 --> 00:55:23,780
My last question before we get to the song that's going to take us out is, like take a song

1105
00:55:23,780 --> 00:55:27,300
like "White Lies," which is a solo track.

1106
00:55:27,300 --> 00:55:28,300
Yeah.

1107
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:34,140
Or, or, physics club from Monkey Robot War.

1108
00:55:34,140 --> 00:55:38,100
And who would you, like, all right, let's take, let's just take physics club because I would

1109
00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:42,380
love to hear how somebody, how somebody else would interpret it.

1110
00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:43,380
Sir.

1111
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:46,860
Picking artists outside of Yershandra.

1112
00:55:46,860 --> 00:55:47,860
It can be anybody.

1113
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:50,620
Money is no object.

1114
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:54,740
Who do you want to cover that?

1115
00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:55,940
And I'll give you an example.

1116
00:55:55,940 --> 00:55:57,740
I'll give you an example.

1117
00:55:57,740 --> 00:56:02,380
There's another band in this space called "Iroh" out of North Carolina and you ought to

1118
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:03,380
check them out.

1119
00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:04,380
They're heavy.

1120
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:05,380
Great riffs.

1121
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:07,380
Brandon is the guitar player in the main...

1122
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:08,540
I just listened to him.

1123
00:56:08,540 --> 00:56:09,860
I know who you're talking about.

1124
00:56:09,860 --> 00:56:10,860
I love them.

1125
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:11,860
Yeah.

1126
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:12,860
Love.

1127
00:56:12,860 --> 00:56:15,460
And Brandon was like, man, I would love to hear Adele cover this song.

1128
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:17,380
I'm like, man, now you're talking, baby.

1129
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:18,620
Yeah, there you go.

1130
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:21,500
So, money is no object.

1131
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:22,500
God, I would...

1132
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:24,460
You can have any producer in the world?

1133
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:32,060
Who is going to produce, or excuse me, who is going to cover physics club by Monkey

1134
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:33,060
Robot War?

1135
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:34,060
Hmm.

1136
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:41,540
You know, there's a lot of people that could do it better than we did.

1137
00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:42,540
But I'm thinking...

1138
00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:48,540
I'd like to hear like a funky or funky or version of it.

1139
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:51,020
Like I can't remember that guy's name though.

1140
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:55,460
He's going to drive me nuts.

1141
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:56,460
What like Jumericwai?

1142
00:56:56,460 --> 00:56:58,460
Jumericwai would be...

1143
00:56:58,460 --> 00:56:59,460
He'd be good.

1144
00:56:59,460 --> 00:57:00,460
But I'm thinking of that guy.

1145
00:57:00,460 --> 00:57:04,340
He's a... I think he would play the Super Bowl, not this last one, but...

1146
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:05,340
Bruno Mars.

1147
00:57:05,340 --> 00:57:06,340
Yes.

1148
00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:07,340
I think...

1149
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:14,500
It would be fun to have somebody reinterpret it and really sing the crap out of it.

1150
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:15,500
I was...

1151
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:17,500
I was thinking to do Alipa.

1152
00:57:17,500 --> 00:57:18,500
Okay.

1153
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:21,020
Yeah, I'm not too familiar.

1154
00:57:21,020 --> 00:57:22,020
I know the kids...

1155
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:23,660
I love her stuff, man.

1156
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:25,060
Great dance stuff.

1157
00:57:25,060 --> 00:57:26,540
Great dance stuff.

1158
00:57:26,540 --> 00:57:31,020
And it'd be cool to hear like a dance club remix of that.

1159
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:32,020
Yeah.

1160
00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:34,020
Yeah, absolutely.

1161
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:37,660
Yeah, I love anything that makes you shake your butt.

1162
00:57:37,660 --> 00:57:39,700
You know, that leads right into...

1163
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,740
It can be erased pretty well too.

1164
00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:48,300
Yeah, well, as they say, I played in a band in LA and the guitarist would always get up

1165
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:52,060
on the mic and go, "3-year ass and your mind will follow."

1166
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:53,060
Oh, yeah.

1167
00:57:53,060 --> 00:57:54,060
Okay.

1168
00:57:54,060 --> 00:57:55,060
All right.

1169
00:57:55,060 --> 00:57:57,340
Yeah, you get the...

1170
00:57:57,340 --> 00:57:59,140
Can we talk about the first part of that sentence?

1171
00:57:59,140 --> 00:58:00,140
Like what?

1172
00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:01,140
Yeah.

1173
00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:02,140
Oh, you mean...

1174
00:58:02,140 --> 00:58:03,140
Okay, got your arms.

1175
00:58:03,140 --> 00:58:04,140
Yeah, there you go.

1176
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:06,140
Yeah, you get the drunk girls in the back.

1177
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:08,380
Hootin' in a hollering at that one, I'm sure.

1178
00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:09,380
Yeah.

1179
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:10,380
Well, all right.

1180
00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:13,500
So, tell us about the song that is going to take us out.

1181
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:15,820
The song is called "It Can Be Erased."

1182
00:58:15,820 --> 00:58:17,780
Tell us about it.

1183
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:20,900
This is one that has been...

1184
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:25,140
I usually, I'll have like three or four versions.

1185
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:33,380
I'll start off with the track or just kind of mumbling over the music and then the words

1186
00:58:33,380 --> 00:58:35,980
kind of form over time and it turns into a song.

1187
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:41,380
But this one, I think what you have is the 26th version of it.

1188
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:43,180
It's just been...

1189
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:48,580
It's been in my head for way too long, ready to get it out there.

1190
00:58:48,580 --> 00:58:52,620
It's really like, lyrically, I think I was...

1191
00:58:52,620 --> 00:58:59,540
I'm just picturing myself back when I was single, heading downtown to go to some dance clubs

1192
00:58:59,540 --> 00:59:07,660
and stuff and just that whole feel of being out and about and then in the end getting rejected

1193
00:59:07,660 --> 00:59:08,660
by everyone.

1194
00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:12,220
You know, that's got to be in there.

1195
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:15,420
Getting rejected and going home alone.

1196
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:17,300
But you know, there'll be another night.

1197
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,620
So no reason to get it too down.

1198
00:59:20,620 --> 00:59:22,100
It's a ride of the past.

1199
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:23,100
Yep, absolutely.

1200
00:59:23,100 --> 00:59:24,100
Yeah.

1201
00:59:24,100 --> 00:59:25,100
So that's...

1202
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:27,100
Go ahead, sorry.

1203
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:28,100
Oh, it's okay.

1204
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:29,100
So that can be erased.

1205
00:59:29,100 --> 00:59:36,420
I'm just really glad to get it out of my computer and out into the world and yeah, moving

1206
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:38,420
on to the next ones, you know.

1207
00:59:38,420 --> 00:59:39,420
Yeah.

1208
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:41,420
Well, Nate, thanks.

1209
00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:44,260
Man, thanks for coming on.

1210
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:51,220
I adore your lyrics, the bands, your voice.

1211
00:59:51,220 --> 00:59:53,420
Thank you so much.

1212
00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:55,220
Yeah, man.

1213
00:59:55,220 --> 00:59:56,220
Yeah.

1214
00:59:56,220 --> 01:00:00,940
I mean, with all due respect to everybody else that I've reviewed and all the playlists and

1215
01:00:00,940 --> 01:00:04,940
everything like that, like you're probably my favorite artist in this space and I was

1216
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:09,980
really, really excited to get you on the phone and talk to you about all this stuff.

1217
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:10,980
So...

1218
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:11,980
Thank you.

1219
01:00:11,980 --> 01:00:13,060
Well, just being on here is an honor.

1220
01:00:13,060 --> 01:00:16,940
I believe it or not, I do not get interviewed very often.

1221
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:17,940
Really?

1222
01:00:17,940 --> 01:00:18,940
Damn.

1223
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:25,460
This will be my second interview ever and possibly, whatever happened again.

1224
01:00:25,460 --> 01:00:27,620
So, yeah, I was a little nervous.

1225
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:29,100
No, I don't agree with that.

1226
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:34,740
I mean, keep doing what you're doing and, you know, hopefully it can turn into something

1227
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:35,740
bigger and better.

1228
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:40,900
But I also really respect the point you're making with respect to, hey, this is, you know,

1229
01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:45,500
like, I have a day job and I have a family and like, this is my outlet.

1230
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:49,660
I mean, that's, you know, for people who aren't, for people who are listening who are not

1231
01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:55,220
artists, like, I mean, we could have spent an hour talking about how art can kill you.

1232
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:56,220
Yeah.

1233
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:57,220
Absolutely.

1234
01:00:57,220 --> 01:00:58,220
Or...

1235
01:00:58,220 --> 01:00:59,220
Yeah.

1236
01:00:59,220 --> 01:01:05,780
No, I just, I enjoy it so much that I don't want to mess with it.

1237
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:08,980
I feel like that would do that.

1238
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:12,860
But, yeah, like I said, it's been great talking to you.

1239
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:19,020
I've been thinking about it all week, so I'm glad it's like, it's almost like going on

1240
01:01:19,020 --> 01:01:24,740
or doing a show, you know, or a live performance.

1241
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:27,340
So you've been great and I just appreciate talking to you.

1242
01:01:27,340 --> 01:01:28,340
Well, my pleasure.

1243
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:29,340
Stick around.

1244
01:01:29,340 --> 01:01:30,380
We'll talk a little bit in the green room.

1245
01:01:30,380 --> 01:01:38,860
But taking us out here is it can be erased by Nate Johnathan from Grand Rapids, Michigan

1246
01:01:38,860 --> 01:01:41,500
And if you dig it, you've got to boost it. Come on guys.

1247
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:43,200
Then, simulate some sats.

1248
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,360
Alright.

1249
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:45,820
Here you go. Thanks, thanks.

1250
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:46,780
Make a round.

1251
01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:58,280
[Music]

1252
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,280
I won't be the reason that you slow down.

1253
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:10,780
I can't be there though, when you're spinning out.

1254
01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:15,780
Don't worry about anything.

1255
01:02:16,780 --> 01:02:20,780
Nothing is planned if it's written it can be erased.

1256
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:23,780
I'll take care of all of it.

1257
01:02:23,780 --> 01:02:27,780
You'll be remembered as a saving grace.

1258
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:35,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1259
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:43,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1260
01:02:44,780 --> 01:02:51,780
[Music]

1261
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:57,780
You ever feel the bass through the wall when you're downtown.

1262
01:02:57,780 --> 01:03:04,780
You can resist, stront it. It's a gravitational sound.

1263
01:03:04,780 --> 01:03:09,780
Don't worry about anything.

1264
01:03:09,780 --> 01:03:13,780
Nothing is planned if it's written it can be erased.

1265
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:16,780
You will take care of all of it.

1266
01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:20,780
You'll be remembered as a saving grace.

1267
01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:24,780
[Music]

1268
01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:31,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1269
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:38,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1270
01:03:39,780 --> 01:03:45,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1271
01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:53,780
I am if you are, I could be done.

1272
01:03:53,780 --> 01:04:00,780
The lady shows her it's a long walk home.

1273
01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:07,780
Can't take her with you but you'll never be alone.

1274
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:15,780
That is it can't be erased by Nate Johnovan from Grand Rapids, Michigan.

1275
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:18,780
And I really appreciate him coming on the show.

1276
01:04:18,780 --> 01:04:21,780
That is a world debut basically.

1277
01:04:21,780 --> 01:04:26,780
That's the first time that song is out and I gotta tell you that's the first time I've heard it all the way through it.

1278
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:30,780
That's a great example of why I love his music so much.

1279
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:33,780
Like I did not expect a little bit of a disco vibe.

1280
01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:36,780
I did not expect a killer's influence on there.

1281
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:42,780
I love what he did in the chorus, that minor riff there, that...

1282
01:04:42,780 --> 01:04:45,780
[Music]

1283
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:52,780
Love the bass line in the second verse and then he played off of the fact of that bass line to implement the lyrics.

1284
01:04:52,780 --> 01:04:54,780
Drum beats killer.

1285
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,780
Love that dude.

1286
01:04:56,780 --> 01:04:59,780
Send them some sats.

1287
01:04:59,780 --> 01:05:09,780
So that is episode 12 of the Phantom Power Artist Hour where we speak with artists who are exclusively in the value for value verse.

1288
01:05:09,780 --> 01:05:14,780
Artists who believe in the power of value for value in Bitcoin.

1289
01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:22,780
It's a new monetization model, it's a new revenue stream and if you are tired of making nothing on Spotify and iTunes and YouTube

1290
01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:30,780
and all of the "traditional streaming services" there is a better path and we would love to help you out.

1291
01:05:30,780 --> 01:05:42,780
So reach out to us on Telegram, Instagram, Twittergram, Snail Mailgram, the website gram, Graham crackers.

1292
01:05:42,780 --> 01:05:48,780
You can find us, look up Phantom Power Music on the internet, we'd be happy to help you out.

1293
01:05:48,780 --> 01:05:50,780
Thank you guys so much for listening.

1294
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:59,780
Stick around tomorrow for the Phantom Power Business Hour, got a great conversation about value for value and film.

1295
01:05:59,780 --> 01:06:07,780
And I'm going to be talking with Zach Mahoney out of Los Angeles who is a filmmaker and founder of IndyHub.

1296
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:10,780
It's a value for value type film studio.

1297
01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:11,780
It's going to be awesome.

1298
01:06:11,780 --> 01:06:13,780
Looking forward to that as well.

1299
01:06:13,780 --> 01:06:14,780
Everybody good?

1300
01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:16,780
Everybody healthy?

1301
01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:22,780
Are things starting to thaw out where you are? Good, glad to hear it.

1302
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:25,780
We'll see you later, thanks for listening.

1303
01:06:26,780 --> 01:06:34,780
[Music]